Phonak introduces Naída Paradise

@Blacky said:

quicksync

QuickSync is what links the HAs together.

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@kevels55 said:

Starkey moulds,

I’ve been getting my ear moulds from Boots since 2011 and they’ve always used Starkey. I’ve been impressed.

Thanks.

It’s not something you can turn on or off so the term was completely lost in my brain. At least I couldn’t find it back then when we talked about it.

So if you wear 2 aids, they’re immediately using it. For all things.

If you wear one aid, of course, it cannot be used.

So yes, stereo zoom needs 2 aids and their 4 mics to work as intended. It’s not that the program will be disabled though, it will just say in the programming sw that it won’t work properly.

And I can confirm, using one aid only, I didn’t feel any benefit of speech in any noise except the cons of not hearing anything from that side because of noise cancelling involved. But I can’t say if it was normal noise or loud noise program, since whole aid was almost useless to me in such environments. Especially since without aid on normal hearing ear I’ll get the noise in, and we’ll struggle to get the info out of that mess.

With two aids is definitely easier, since both ears get noise cancelling
I started with open domes on both, but now I’m at vented dome for normal ear and power dome for bad ear, main reason was to profit from all that noise processing and needing less amplification (battery usage) for streaming. But everyday usage also became better, with now really feeling the difference between those two noise+speech programs. At the beginning I had loud noise to kick in very very soon (open domes), but now with closed ones, I had to put loud noise to wait until it’s really really loud.

In short - passive noise cancelling works

@Blacky said:

It’s not something you can turn on or off

Yes you can. When I wore 2 x HAs I had it turned off but programs like Speech in Loud Noise, Speech in 360 and speech in wind won’t work.

I think I remember this case, you ended setting up each aid as a separate user, right?

Nothing urgent, I know I went all over options back then for that topic, and couldn’t find it. So it really looks like they removed it. Together with autoreply on phone call and switch to acoustic phone option for tcoil HAs.

It’s more, if you find it sometime, share

When I tried “Speech in loud noise” program a couple years ago with Marvel - all incoming sound was over whelming. My Audi didn’t pre-adjust this program, so maybe a follow up visit could of calmed things down. In this mode/program there was just too much noise that over whelmed speech. Maybe as you state Blacky, the stero zoom feature in Paradise Naida has improved Loud in noise program. But you also seem to be saying different noise programs work better in various noise setting/levels. Put autosense aside since its automatic but I’m trying to determine which noise level program would work best say in a restaurant. As in hearing people talking nearby while at a dining table and dealing with restaurant background noise. So would "speech in loud noise be more appropriate for say a concert, musical venue, outdoor sporting event (old days) while “speech in noise” or “comfort in noise” is be better setting for restaurants?

Hm, yeah, I’ve DIY tweaked all my programs, since what phonak autogenerated or defaults mostly weren’t working for me, but I have non common type of loss.

Honestly I really forgot how inital fitting and default sound like, especially since I had them just for a few hours, now 6 months ago

Speech in loud noise in my setup kicks in if I open my window (if I try hard I probably could spit on highway that goes in front of my building - just as illustration how close and noisy it is). Also, when I’m washing dishes some of them switch, but it takes too long for app to load for me to check it, too much water would be wasted for such experiment.

Outside on that road it varies between loud noise and regular noise, depending where I’m exactly.

I think in restaurant it goes with noise, but which one, speech or comfort, no clue. I need roger mic there so I’m not paying attention.

However, I do not switch manually. So, aids could switch around much more, these are the situations where I’m painfully aware of noise and happy when I hear my aids kick in. Ok washing dishes isn’t necessary to be recognised as a loud noise, but, I can live with that

Yeah, and my setup is put on much more reactive than default, so, by design, in default settings aids shouldn’t recognise some situations as in my case - loud noise, but ‘just’ noise.

However, best rule of thumb is - try and test for your hearing and your environments.

Main difference between speech in noise and speech in loud noise is that in the latter there’s no possibility to adjust directionality of mic, while in the first case, it is possible, but most forward focus is a bit less than the forward focus (stereo zoom) that loud noise program brings.

Comfort vs speech in loud noise, if I’m not mistaken both can be equally adjusted, and comfort will trigger when aids don’t detect speech. In short, I can’t say that I’ve ever caught it in the app. I managed to catch loud noise, car, noise and normal but that’s it.
Checking in which program it currently is is cumbersome, because it takes long for aids to connect to the phone, then you need to click into options, and back and forth to notice the current one.
Stupid user interface.
I played around with it for a few weeks, but then I just lost the energy to wait it to load, so, no clue anymore when it is in which program exactly.

You’re right - I was mixing the Marvel//Paradise line. I have the Naida P-PR coming which is the only next option for me in a BTE in the Paradise line.

If the rechargeables are lighter and more comfortable on my ears than the UP and can be programmed so I hear as well as I do with the UPs, I’ll be thankful. My loss is 80 db but rises to 30db in the highest frequencies. I’m hoping someone might have some real-world experience with battery life on the rechargeables. If not then I will share mine in a couple weeks.

@Teo said:

My loss is 80 db but rises to 30db in the highest frequencies.

The Rechargeable Naida is questionably powerful enough for you.

Hi Teo, sounds like a reverse sloping loss, is this correct? If you post up your Audiogram it would give us a better idea of your loss? Just wondering why you were fitted with an Ultra Power BTE, if your Audiogram is not in the darkened area of the chart kindly displayed by Raudrive, then you may struggle with the Naida Paradise Power Aid BTE, then again you may not? Like you, I have the Naida Paradise UP BTE 675, and they are indeed awesome aids, fortunately I have rather big ears and I can accommodate these aids or even larger aids, no problem , but, I empathize with your problem, I also wear glasses, I have often said I would wear aids the size of a banana if it helped me hear better. Good luck with the Power BTE. Cheers Kev

I have the P70 UP aids and the reason why the UP version doesn’t have motion detection is because the 675 battery doesn’t provide enough voltage for the motion sensors. The PR and the UP aids are not the same size. PR are smaller than the UP version. I wished the PR version matched the fitting range of my older Naidas V90 SP aids.

How does the P UP Naida aids compare to your V SP Naida aids in size?

Curious to see if newer UP aids are smaller than earlier UP aids.

Hello @markoo355, I have the Naida Paradise 90 BTE UP… I also have Target and Noah Link Wireless, been struggling with my hearing lately, dropping about 5 to 10db across the board since February, perhaps a legacy of my Covid vaccination? Anyway, a few days ago I decided to alter my aids from my AuD’s settings, I changed algorithms from; Adaptive Phonak Digital 2.0, to; DSL v5a Adult, and that made a massive difference with overall clarity, especially on my iPhone x, and on streaming video, everything was clearer and crisper. Good luck. cheers Kev

The left is the Naida V90 SP with the 13 battery
The right is the Naida Paradise U70 UP with the 675 battery.