Oticon More3 (vs More1) Might Be Capable Enough For Some

@kevels55: You’re one of the great ambassadors to the hearing (and the HoH, too), of what it’s like to be profoundly hearing impaired, and how to cope with it.

I understand exactly what you’re saying, I think: sometimes the best “headphones” for listening to our favourites of yore in their fullness is - our memories.

Thanks for reminding us of that fact

@SpudGunner said:

I never said anything about what non-musicians feel or don’t feel when they’re appreciating their music

I’m not arguing, I’m merely pointing out the fallicy of your opinions:

Non-players, IMO, will never feel the same drug-like rush as a real player who’s caught up in the magical, synergistic, existential moment when music, emanating from different spirits, comes together in its own “Big Bang”. But - ya gotta be able to hear it to catch the buzz.

Sorry if what I said sounds snobbish, but it’s generically true. I’d liken it to a transcendental, almost religious experience. Not sure how to explain it to “mere mortals”.

Performance musicians need not be of godlike stature to appreciate and respond to these nuances of sound that (probably?) escape those who have never played.

"Nuff said!
I’m going to go to my music room, and listen to the nuances of sound that (I most definitely!) feel when I listen to “Kind of Blue” by Miles Davis.

As a “Mere Mortal” I will reach Nirvana tonight.

The passage in bold type is indeed damning. When taken out of context, as it has been.

@SpudGunner said:

As @Volusiano said: it depends what you’re looking for. I derive a lot of pleasure from streaming my music directly from my iPhone to my More1s. The sound is just as good to my brain, when it’s just looking to hum along with Norah Jones and rip off a few of her guitarist’s tasty licks, as listening to an iPod (okay - that’s not quite true, but close enough) …

However, when I was still active in the studio, I wanted to make sure when I was laying down tracks that I could hear and “feed off” the sounds of my fine Gretsches, Gibsons, Martins, Fenders, Taylor, etc. After all - those sounds are the reason why I shelled out so much coin to acquire them. Only phones-over-aids work to deliver that quality of sound to the hearing compromised musician.

That last hole that I dug for myself, which you have highlighted in bold, and which I continued to excavate for myself, unnecessarily, has since turned into a pit, thanks to your thin skin.

It was simply an ill- conceived addendum to a much more innocent thought/point that I was trying to convey. If you wish to take it as a slight to non-players, that’s your prerogative.

Enjoy!

It is time to close and lock this post, thinks have gotten to heated

However, I find the more1 vs More3 info quit informational since I am trying to make that choice at this moment.

@Eric: I have had both More3 and More1s. I can tell you from my experience that:

1. For streaming recorded music, More3 is the same as More1.
2. For listening to live music or music “over the air” (meaning hearing the music by listening to an instrument or a loudspeaker), More1s are much better than More3s because of the “Clear Dynamics” feature.

The Clear Dynamics feature increases input headroom to 113dB (vs 95dB for More3) and it really has worked out well for me, since I am a musician and I practice every day. But - if I were just listening to streamed music, More3s would be just as good as More1s.

As always: this is according to my experience and opinion.

Uh, maybe back in the original track. My audiogram is posted. When I got my aids insurance only covered basic. I have a pair of Livio 1000, and they’re more than sufficient for my hearing and day to day activities. Speech is good in almost all environments. Some of the tougher things like a noisy restaurant remain unchallenged given our just loosened pandemic steps.

They hook up to my phone with no issue. Phone calls are absolutely clear. I can stream music, but even with a music program selection, and my open domes, music isn’t enjoyable. I’m not upset, just recognizing the limitations.

I’m very pleased with what I have. Maybe trials of others would have revealed something better, but this is enough for my needs.

I have very simple ski slope loss. It’s not a challenging issue that would need more sophisticated correction as many here struggle with. I am not suggesting that premium aids are not necessary and I’m not saying that other features and benefits aren’t needed, many are for those who need and use them.

I’m happy the HA industry offers a variety of aids that can be matched to individual needs. That’s a big strength of Rx aids. But there are others like me who benefit despite fewer features and channels for fitting and all that stuff. That is my personal experience and my individual opinion. YMMV.

And this isn’t about More aids. It’s a general statement on aid tiers.

More2 has cleardynamics as well. Would that approach the live music experence of More1? (Am musician as well, so this is important for me)

@Volusiano and I have discussed this, as well, and I think the answer is “Yes”.

Although I will continue to stand up for More3s considerable capabilities as a Basic tier device, the ClearDynamics feature really does enhance More1s rendering of “live” (over-the-air) music, and I see nothing in the specs that would lead me to believe that More2’s ClearDynamics feature is less capable than that of More1s.

As far as I can tell, either it has Clear Dynamics or it doesn’t. So the Clear Dynamics feature on the More 2 is not any less than that on the More 1.

So does that mean that I maybe able to understand our church choirs better, it always seems to me that the church’s electronic organ always overpowers the choir singing, but my wife claims that it doesn’t really do it.

@cvkemp: It’s hard to say, Chuck: you’re right that organ sounds are rich, complex and powerful. I played electric guitar along with the organist and choir at our church for a few years, and between the organ’s tones and the acoustics of the church, it was sometimes difficult for the choir mistress to get us balanced with the choir.

What I’m saying is that you may be right that the organ is over top of the choir. More1s won’t change the reality of what is there, but ClearDynamics will give your ears a much more accurate sound picture than More3s (which don’t have the ClearDynamics feature) in that environment.

So … if church music is important to you, the More1s (IMO) should be quite easily adjusted to give you a pleasant rendition - this is using a separate Music program, of course.

[Are you getting the new aids early?]

@cvkemp said:

So does that mean that I maybe able to understand our church choirs better, it always seems to me that the church’s electronic organ always overpowers the choir singing, but my wife claims that it doesn’t really do it.

Chuck, The OPN 1& OPN S 1 have the same input headroom as the More, so you already have the “Clear Dynamics”..
You’ve stated before you don’t see value to a dedicated Music program, but I think it would be worth having it enabled on your new aids just for the above reason. It’ll basically open up the frequency response without all the compression, and other “speech” enhancements that ruin music.
Try it, You’ll like it!

I have had music programs and have never seen any improvement with the music programs in the past. I had it with the OPN1 aids.

It could be my hearing loss it isn’t typical