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11 BIG LIES of THE INDUSTRY

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In reply to @tenkan

@jeffrey said:

Isn’t your whole complaint that people are making more than they should

@tenkan said:

Nope, not quite, it’s the profiteering, big difference between them.

You’re quibbling. And anyway, how in the world are audis “profiteering”? Why not go after nurses and dentists and optometrists while you’re at it?

You’re defining the terms and then condemning an industry according to your definitions. And anyway, you don’t deny that engineers are the real profiteers: they design the aids. why not go after…your own industry?

I *could" cry ‘J’accuse!’ just like you, but I’m really just kidding. I don’t expect you to take a pay cut or to voluntarily lay off for the sake of consumers everywhere.

@jeffrey said:

You’re quibbling

More soap bubbles…

@jeffrey said:

Why not go after nurses and dentists and optometrists while you’re at it?

I do, remember I use healthcare, so they fall under it…so just to correct you again you need to understand the concept of what’s been discussed…you mentioned nursing, please no don’t go there, it’s doctors you meant right?

@jeffrey said:

You’re defining the terms and then condemning an industry according to your definitions.

No not at all, but you certainly have! But seriously your just going round in circles on this.

@jeffrey said:

anyway, you don’t deny that engineers are the real profiteers:

Actually I have, and do so again right now, the thing is, when the “engineers” designed those you use, you can rest assured they didn’t give the “cartel’s” their brief on what they’ll go sell them for to the audiology clinics, nor what the clinics mark ups are gonna be before Jo public buys them, but seriously nothing we have discussed has added any weight to “11 BIG LIES of THE INDUSTRY”

Could everyone please stop discussing earnings in this forum? If you have an interest in wages, go to the library. They have a lot of information about the earnings in just about every profession and it is a lot closer to the truth than the hot air and opinions in this forum.

In reply to @Neville

I think I’ve read that hearing aids are not covered in Canada, or perhaps it varies by province?
My concern if we make hearing aids “free” for everybody who wants them that a lot of people will get them because they’re free and never wear them(happens often enough even when people pay). Also, if we give everybody the most advanced tier of hearing aids, it will be a very expensive program. If we try to control who gets what level of hearing aid, it is likely to get very bureaucratic. I think I would prefer a system where the government negotiates prices with the hearing aid companies (like it does with ) and makes them available to all who sell hearing aids for the same price. I think this would make hearing aids available to all who want them at an affordable price and reduce waste and bureaucracy.

In reply to @tenkan

so, you’re defining “the industry” ( has anyone else?) as “health care”, and include doctors, nurses, pharmacists and hospitals as all part…of the hearing aid cartel? (NO, of course you mean, the hearing aid industry is just part of the giant cartel of your imagination.) So, yes, you are defining the terms your own way and have expanded the 11 big lies to apply to all of this, and more.

I think you need to understand the concept of what’s being discussed! and also, the concept of how to reply to a counter argument. Crying “soap bubbles” and “no not at all” and changing the subject doesn’t actually count as a response.
Earlier I wrote that you wanted health care workers to all take a pay cut, but not you. You’re claiming they’re all part of the profiteering that’s going on on behalf of Big Hearing. You said, “no, I don’t expect them all to work for peanuts”. And then you dodged my question about your own culpability in “the Cartel” that is capitalism. So again, how much of a cut should they all take, in the middle of a Covid epidemic and labor shortages? How much of a cut should audis all take, to satisfy your notion of fairness? Or do you really think that cutting executive pay will solve the issue?: Or are you asking for a mass restructuring of Capitalism as a whole?

By the way, I’m not angry! I take it that Tenkan is just playing around like me–and isn’t mad at me either. Merry Christmas Tenkan, and I mean it! Pa-rum-pa-pum-pum!

@jeffrey said:

By the way, I’m not angry! I take it that Tenkan is just playing around like me–and isn’t mad at me either. Merry Christmas Tenkan, and I mean it! Pa-rum-pa-pum-pum!

So we can agree to disagree then, of course no anger here mate.
Merry Xmas

absolutely! truth be told. Signia just tried to hold me up for over $300.00 for a dryer/charger/uv device. I already have the charger and Hal-Hen. That’s a bit much! No alternative, if I want to disinfect, they claim.

In reply to @jeffrey

@jeffrey said:

As for programming my own aids…my music program had to be tweaked with the help of a signia audi. Not every adjustment is immediately obvious and available on an aid. There are back programs etc. I really don’t want to spend a year or more ‘learning’ how to program my own aid, and buying the the equipment for that. I udnerstand that others are good at this and enjoy it. Not me!

All adjustments are obvious and available on Connexx software. There are no “back programs” Learning to self-program can be accomplished within an afternoon.

In reply to @jorge_andres_quiroz

Not new to but after a small fire with one I lived without HAs for a long time but have never stopped “researching” them. My experiences fit with the original authors 11. No they aren’t fact but experience. This is not a professional site where all are measured to the 14th decimal. I believe all 11 should be in your mind when shopping for HAs.

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Fewer controls allow the major manufacturers to collaborate to keep prices and profits high and to raise the barrier for new competitors to break into the market.

But with the revolving door between various industries and the government bodies that (supposedly) regulate them, it is not too difficult for the regulators to favor their former employers for whom they might want to work again in the future.

Edited

The prices are not controlled. The regulates drugs for safety and (maybe) efficacy, but I’m not sure that they even do their own testing: don’t they mostly just accept the results of the manufacturers’ own trials?

Update: A few years back one of Martin Shkreli’s companies raised the price of one particular drug by more than 5,000%, but that was not what landed him in prison: it was securities fraud.

In reply to @elminero

The official answer to the question “What kind of economy does the United States have?” (or words to that effect) in the citizenship test is not “Free Market” but “Capitalist” – and all over the Internet you can find discussions of the differences.

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