Oticon Real

@ziploc said:

My question is: Is this mitigation of the sudden noise problem likely to improve a user’s speech in noise comprehension? Maybe the sudden noise issue is more of an obstacle to hearing in noise than I realize. Could someone with some professional knowledge weigh in here? Thank you.

I don’t have a pro’s knowledge, but just a layman person’s opinion here, that the situations where the Sudden Sound Stabilizer can add value in terms of improving Speech in Noise understanding is if you’re in a noisy situation where sudden sounds is recurring very often. For example, you sit at a table near the kitchen or dishwashing area where the sudden sound of clanging dishes is constantly happening every second. Or if you sit at a table close to a loud speaker where loud music is blaring constantly.

Of course if you have recruitment, then I’m sure the Sudden Sound Stabilizer would be of tremendous help regardless. Even if you don’t have recruitment, but sudden sounds tend to make you jump and get unsettled and take you a long time to recover, then that can affect your ability to follow a conversation while it’s happening.

But overall, I think that Oticon is running out of things where they can improve, so now they have to resort to solving issues that have less impact (no pun intended) in order to justify a new model release. Of course many will say why don’t they try improving the SNR even more than they already can instead of focusing on less-than-impactful issues. Well, maybe they’ve already done as much as they can for SNR unless they find something else groundbreaking enough to reach that holy grail. But the Sudden Sound Stabilizer and the Wind & Handling Stabilizer are supposed to help with improving SNR as well, albeit just for that short duration when sudden sounds occur.

@Volusiano , what is recruitment?

@ziploc → I think it’s basically a reduced tolerance to loudness. People with recruitment cannot stand loud sounds. They perceive sounds to get too loud too fast for them to handle a lot of times.

It’s not to be confused with hyperacusis which is a super-sensitivity to normal sounds.

Ok. I looked up recruitment. Maybe I do have it. I have an acoustic neuroma in my left ear that was treated by Gamma Knife almost six years ago.

My experience as a musician in an amplified acoustic duo before the AN was treated was that I could hear my partner’s stage monitor that was turned a little toward me. The sound coming from his monitor sounded like an atonal roar, rather than clear vocals and guitar. Does this sound like recruitment?

I’ve had to be very careful since the Gamma Knife treatment to make sure that any stage monitoring sound comes at me from my right side so as to minimize that “atonal roar” effect. Although I am performing much less often these days, and since I’m doing mostly solo acoustic gigs, I have much more control over the placement of any stage monitors. But, subjectively, it seems like the “atonal roar” sensation has diminished as my hearing in the affected ear has stabilized over the years since Gamma Knife.

Maybe I’m just the kind of user that the sudden sound stabilizer might help, as far as speech-in-noise comprehension. What does anyone here think? Thank you.

this is the whisper… by the way Dr. Don Schum I believe is involve with them

@danka

I got the Xceed today and they program fine and say Xceed 1 UP on them.

I live in the UK and we don’t normally get parcels today as it’s Sunday but somehow it came today.

Might be worth saving the seller?

Is Oticon significantly better than my Phonak Paradise 90? The description of neural networks attracts … Phonak does not use them.

Hi @Volusiano , How about using Xceed UP 1 for my type of hearing loss. Any special molds needed in my case? Zebra told me that he just bought a pair at eBay at a very low cost.
Your kind reply with some Genie 2 photos is highly appreciated.
Have a nice day.

Back to the future??

Sorry for not noticing this sooner. Also sorry if this has been pointed out in some other discussion. Oticon came out with wireless/inductive charging way back in 2019-Q1 with the Opn S model. Scroll to the last page to find inductive/wireless charging in this → Link.

By comparison Phonak recently introduced wireless/inductive charging in 2022-Q3 beginning with the Audéo Lumity Life-model (2022-Q3 Audéo L-RL RIC = Inductive charging).

But here’s what I want to point out. Phonak has two different models with embedded coils and Telecoil is only available in the first model.

• 2022-Q3 Audéo L-RT RIC = Telecoil
• 2022-Q3 Audéo L-RL RIC = Inductive charging

But with Oticon it seems that their engineers have perhaps managed to make a dual purpose coil because all of their inductive charging models beginning with the Opn S, and then More, and also Real have both;

• Telecoil which requires an embedded coil
• inductive charging which requires an embedded coil

Here’s older Opn technology with separate Telecoil model the right side of your screen;

Here’s the newer OpnS-More-Real technology separate Telecoil model the right side of your screen. One might ask, Why have two different models? One model has disposable batteries.

Just to add some history: Signia came out with inductive charging in 2016

Signia unveils the lithium-ion inductive rechargeable hearing aid Cellion

In a press release from July 5, Signia has announced the launch of the lithium-ion-powered rechargeable hearing aid Cellion.

My new audiologist called. I am going to exchange my More 1 aids for Real 1. @SpudGunner i beat you to it LOL

On second thought about the reason for Oticon not having separate models for Telecoil; I don’t believe it’s new technology. I think it’s more likely they have two magnetic coils, one for inductive charging, and one for Telecoil.

Oticon probably decided to eliminate extra models by always including Telecoil on all models except for some custom that are too small.

Thank you very much for your prompt reply. I will follow up with my Audi. Hope to get an Xceed 1 UP in EBay and try it out.
Thanks.

Or possibly engineered the coil to do both (and pick up the BLE too?): the aid isn’t physically bigger. It’s possible to inductively charge at a very low or high frequency outside of the audible operating range of the aid. This makes sense as the audible function isn’t risked by interference from other inputs.