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In reply to @greg.smith

None of the instruments neither Philips nor Bernafon nor sonic would have
speech guard, Open sound navigator, or any of the More or Real features.

This core technologies, are not available they have a different sound scheme.

I would wait to get Real instead of More, which should be same pricing

In reply to @SpudGunner

I haven’t fitted Phillips but the average HI, from the big 6 should be OK sounding

Phillips doesn’t seem to have grown as Demant group would have thought. I wonder
if they will use the name to dump , which could make sense given the success of the
sabra enhance.

its very easy call oticon ask them directly. Alternative, read the white papers … they are not the same thing.

@user246 said:

Alternative, read the white papers … they are not the same thing.

@user246: Thanks for responding. I think parr of rhe problem is that - white paper content notwithstanding - the notion persists that Oticon More and the Philips Hearlink 9930 hearing devices are more or less equivalent, simply because they both fall within Demant’s brand portfolio, and may share some technology.

This fallacy seems durable, and has withstood several different threads that solidly refute it.

In reply to @user246

@user246 said:

Phillips doesn’t seem to have grown as Demant group would have thought.

I think that brand is not sold in the US outside of Costco. Demant licenses that right to sell from Philips who licenses some of Demant’s technology and hardware. Demant dies not own Philips hearing.

Still, for a given individual I believe the professional is the most important. I chose Costco 10 years ago because all local professionals appeared to be inadequate so I focused on price.

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In reply to @prodigyplace

wrong, sorry you need to get the facts correct. It is sold nearly world wide.

In Brazil for example they seem to be adopting a “franchise like” model in which

they give the territory to a I presume in exchange of what I suppose a minimum

number of instruments sold. They had a Phillips hearing aids shops with the same brand

identity colors etc. Much like Beltone or Miracle ear in the US, but they are independently own.

Again, it seems it hasn’t really pay off - Time will tell, but the tough that

phillips will become Siemens (hearing aids) it hasn’t really pay off.

If you ask me, Phillips will be their next big bet.

Phillips looks like a bernafon rip rather than an oticon rip, but it’s really difficult to tell exactly how they are implementing their and it may well be oticon-ish.

The Opn implemented a quite clever, different way of managing noise. The More used AI to do something similar–other companies had already been using AI, but differently. But AI generally is advancing and all companies will be incorporating it in similar ways in about two seconds, so it will no longer be an oticon differentiator. This seems like the regular cycle of things with hearing aids.

In reply to @user246

No. He was not saying they are only sold in the U.S. He was saying that within the U.S he thinks they are only sold in Costco. i.e. Costco have exclusive rights to sell Phillips aids within the U.S.

@Torbill Not all private audiologists ask you to put money down before trying. I’m not sure how common it is, but the one I go to does a no money down trial (I’m in Ontario). I trialed a pair of More 1s in October, and I paid absolutely nothing until a month later. After a month I had the option of giving them back, (no cost) or paying for them. I decided to keep them, and then had an additional 2 months to return them for my money back (I kept them). It might be worth looking around.

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@Chirp: A question, Chirp → would you have paid something reasonable, say, $200 or $250 for this trial?

[Addendum: For clarity, let’s assume that the trial package includes:

  1. Full hearing test;
  2. Proper first fitting done according to Best Practices, including ;
  3. Best possible acoustic coupling without ordering custom moulds;
  4. Addition of at least 1 program in addition to the default program.]

In reply to @Volusiano

A word about Costco’s return policy - and banishment, grin. I know quite a lot about Costco. One interesting thing is that, in our modern world of data/communications, where every operator knows where every semi tractor-trailer in their fleet is at the moment as well as all of the driver statistics and on and on, there is actually a level of autonomy that remains in some places. Costco warehouses are one of those places. The GM at a Costco warehouse has great authority when it comes to dealing with customer problems. If a Costco GM ends your membership, say for abusing their return policy, or tells you that they are done working with you on hearing aids, you are not going to get much a “hearing” by escalating the issue. Local GMs pretty much have the final word on such matters. At some point a large retailer, whether it be a Costco, Amazon, or other, is going to be done with you. However, if I trial hearing aids at Costco, as long time member in good standing, I have no fear whatsoever of them not working with me.

In reply to @lgbuck62

I’ve gotten a lot of help, perhaps not exactly along the lines of my original question about how to trial Oticon hearing aids without obligation - but what else is new, no? Do we ever get to where we thought we were going at the start? :wink:

I have learned that Jay has had a good experience with the Philips , along the lines of what I’m interested in. Which is great news, I have a low cost Costco possibility. I plan to try Philips. I’m not sure when, though, as Jay has also said that there is a new model coming out, so I might wait for it.

Volusiano posted some great background info that helps me understand precisely the differences in philosophy between Oticon and others. It makes me think harder about what I really want in a hearing aid.

There are white papers that I can access on this site that further discuss the differences in Oticon and Philips approaches to hearing aids. I intend to try to find these white papers and go through them.

I now understand the Philips is not part of Demant, they just have licensing agreements. Big difference!

I’ve been helped a lot, and I appreciate the ideas that I’ve gotten!

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