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In reply to @Steve_Taddei

Thanks Dr. Launer for that answer!

Regarding training data for : are there considerations within the industry to collaborate and create a shared dataset that all participating manufacturers can use? Or maybe even an open source dataset?

In reply to @MDB

@MDB said:

Can you discuss current process size

Process size: at Sonova we use advanced micro-electronics process sizes which are available for the chips that need to be implemented, so various process types for different chips in the hearing aid, , -chip, wireless radio, memory… Moving forward, process size certainly helps to further reduce size and power consumption but the technology becomes more challenging to master and also more costly to develop.
Dr. Launer

Can you reveal who your manufacturing partner is? A while ago Oticon and TSMC put out press releases about their cooperation and obviously TSMC is at the forefront of process technology.

In reply to @Steve_Taddei

I think the really critical thing for codergeek is not necessarily the form factor, but that the Infinio isn’t compatible with the . This has left a lot of users with severe loss in one ear and no aidable hearing in the lurch. Other manufacturers have CROS solutions for UP BTEs, but they don’t have good connectivity options for Roger with is also pretty critical for this population.

Does in hearing aids mean that the pace at which Phonak can improve performance (power consumption, speech in noise performance, etc) actually increases? Meaning that hearing aids will improve more in the next 5 years than they did in the last 5 years?

Are there any plans of bringing in a Deepsonic Chip to a Roger device, so other Phonak users can gain from the Speech in Loud noise improvements?

Is your trained on few specific languages or independent of any languages!
Meaning, is it only trained on English, Spanish, Scandinavian languages!!! or it has nothing to do with spoken language??

Thanks

In reply to @Neville

Thank you @Neville. You are 100% correct. They still haven’t answered that part of the question. When the Phonak Naida UP FORMAT is coming out. There currently is no Naida UP BTE FORMAT AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE and I want to know exactly when this is happening since my Naida UP BTE B90 plus died and I am stuck in limbo with Oticon until I can purchase new Phonaks which are not available.

Another training data question: how do you obtain this data? Is it people going out into the real world with microphones or is it created in a lab environment?

In reply to @Bimodal_user

@Bimodal_user said:

Does DEEPSONIC chip processing power can be showed in TOPS?

DEEPSONIC processing power: Deepsonic is a specific Neural Processing Unit running an model with 4.5 Mio parameters with more than 7 GOPS, remeber, that has to run off a hearing aid battery.
Dr. Launer

In reply to @Bimodal_user

Phonak did reveal that the chip runs at 50MHz… Which is surprisingly low, but it’s in line with for example OnSemi’s Ezairo chip which Starkey uses.
Those high clock rates that we are normally used to are simply not possible with the extremely limited power budget that have.

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In reply to @hearingaidobserver1

@hearingaidobserver1 said:

We hear a lot about AI from all of the hearing aid companies and it is hard to know what is real and what is marketing spin. Are competitors doing the same thing as phonak?

Thanks for this question. Having in a hearing aid is like having an engine in a car. It strongly depends on the performance of that engine. The size, architecture, and training matters alot! Other brands use the to classify the sound scene or for light noise reduction. Phonak uses the DNN to extract, enhance, and integrate the speech. This powerful feature is known as Spheric Speech Clarity and instantly separates speech from noise, delivering an unprecedented 10dB .

Can Phonak’s system can help with understanding higher pitch speech in noise for someone with good hearing up to 2kHz but with very poor higher frequency hearing partly due to tinnitus?

In reply to @Neville

@Neville - I’m being nice. I am simply using caps to emphasize that I would like a direct answer to my question which so far has not been provided. All I want to know is when the Phonak Naida Ultra Power plus Cros Ultra Power form factor is being released. Soon? September? December? January? It does no good for me to tell me what’s already available because it doesn’t answer my question.

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