Phonak Target Tweaks, Tips, Techniques, Troubles and Thoughts!

It’s in HA description ona first page. It isn’t upgradeable, so for 7.0 you have to wait ~1.5y for new Phonak lineup.

My Paradise has AutoSense 4.0.

Recently realized that the NOTES in Target, can be printed out.
That has an advantage… you can review, and consider settings changed, while using your hearing aids away from your computer. Come to think of it, it is very similar to your keeping a written log, by date of your changes. For those who can actually read their own handwriting.

Sorry, I don’t understand the two responses to this?
I keep looking all over and nowhere do I see where it says the version of AutoSense? I thought I had seen it. Think it did say 6.0. But since I been looking, not finding it anywhere. Strange. Maybe it is snce i Updated the Target software. I don’t know. I have the updated Target and the MyPhonak app updated too.
Where does it say the version of AutoSense?
Perhaps someone could send a screenshot. TIA !

On the Target “Fine Tuning” tab you see on the left a list of all your programs (Calm Situation, Speech in Noise etc). Near the top of the list is “Autosense X.X”. It is repeated lower down just above the list of streaming programs.

You got me there! My Target definitely shows the Autosense version, not just “Autosense OS” as yours does.
You’ve piqued my curiosity, I will look into it.

But you doubt it? Like you don’t believe it or something else, when you say “paid for the hardware” you mean your HAs right, but I don’t understand your concern?

Somewhere on this board, I started reading about the benefits, and improved performance of the later version - namely 6 vs the earlier ones, like 4 and 5.
That is when I just looked to see, which in fact I had.
To make sure, that it was the latest. That I was not needing to upgrade something.
That is when I realized, that I was not seeing what other persons here were seeing.
See?
Now what should I say?
How would I learn, or know, if I did not ask, WHERE does it say 6.0 because if it says that on others’ screens, and not on my mine - help me here, please, words are failing. Just tell me how I know that my Phonak Sphere, and associated software firmware or whatwhere is where it should be!

@IGZO said:

Maybe I am being deported - tho I was born in Brooklyn.

Ha ha, yeah doesn’t seem to matter to the new administration, citizen or not, if it were me I’d never leave home without my passport!

DIY Question - Is there a recommended order, or some logic to the order in which we copy tweaks from one mode to another.
Example I recently updated my audiogram and changed rationales.
The phone and TV are the most critical modes for me this week.
I fine tuned the Media speech +mic, and the Streaming >Phone Call + mic

That leaves the many other modes, and the option to copy the fine tuning from the two I already did, to each of those other modes. But in some cases, I would think that after doing that, let’s say to Mode X, I would want to tweak that Mode X which then would best be applied to say Mode Y, again maybe tweaking that Mode Y, before copying that to Mode Z, and tweaking Mode Z.

SO - should I tweak the Music mode first, or last?
Might it make sense to start with Calm situation and build from there to the other modes.
Is there a best order, or most sensible order one should address and tweak the various modes?

Anyone have experience in this, themself, or suggestions from an Audiologist’s perspective ?

Has all this been covered somewhere here… love to where if so ?

@tenkan said:

But you have Sphere and target 10, there’s no doubt, none at all…

My About Phonak Target page says
Version 10.1.1.2945
Location US, Language en-US/en/en-US
Product catalog version 10.1.1.8

@Bimodal_user said:

Click on the Sphere or Infinio R model and look in the lower right corner; there is a list of hearing aid features, including AutoSense 6.0.

Which screen shot you mean

The product information link takes you here -not seeing anything about AS6 .
Hearing Aids with Exceptional Speech Understanding | Phonak Audéo Infinio2

The data sheet opens a three page document all like this first, regarding the various receivers:

Phonak Audéo I-Sphere (I90/I70/Trial)

S Receiver 2 cm coupler data
3
ANSI / ASA S3.22-2014 (R2020) IEC 601 18-0:2022
M Receiver 2 cm coupler data
3
ANSI / ASA S3.22-2014 (R2020) IEC 601 18-0:2022

Output sound pressure level
Output sound pressure level
dBSPL
Maximum 1 12 dBSPL HFA 107 dBSPL
dBSPL
Maximum 1 14 dBSPL HFA 1 10 dBSPL
120

Frequency response
Full-on-gain
(Input 90 dBSPL)
Basic Frequency Response
(Input 60 dBSPL)
120
11 0
11 0
100
100
90
90
80
80
70 100 1 000 10 000 Hz

70 100 1 000 10 000 Hz
Frequency response
Full-on-gain
(Input 90 dBSPL)
Basic Frequency Response
(Input 60 dBSPL)
Acoustic gain
Acoustic gain
dB
Maximum 47 dB HFA 40 dB
dB
HFA 45 dB Maximum 51 dB
60
60
50
50
40
Frequency response
Full-on-gain
(Input 50 dBSPL)
40
Frequency response
Full-on-gain
(Input 50 dBSPL)
30

30
20
20
10 100 1 000 10 000 Hz

10 100 1 000 10 000 Hz
Frequency range
Total harmonic distortion
Expected operating time*
Equivalent input noise level
<100 Hz - 10 000 Hz
500 Hz 800 Hz 1600 Hz 3200 Hz 1,5% 2,0% 2,0% 1,0%
18 h
19 dBSPL
Frequency range
Total harmonic distortion
Expected operating time*
Equivalent input noise level
<100 Hz - 10 000 Hz
500 Hz 800 Hz 1600 Hz 3200 Hz 1,5% 2,0% 2,0% 1,0%
18 h
19 dBSPL
Warnings This hearing instrument has an output sound pressure level that can exceed 132 dB SPL. Special care should be taken when fi tting this instrument as there is a risk of impairing the residual hearing of the user. Changes or modifi cations to the hearing aid that are not explicitly approved by the manufacturer are not permitted. Such changes may damage the ear or the hearing aid. The developed SPI in the ears of children can be substancially higher than in average adults. RECD measured to correct target of fi tter OSP90 is recommended.

• Expected operating time of the rechargeable battery depends on active features, the use of wireless accessories, hearing loss, battery age and sound environment.
  TPL-953 [1]
  V1.00/

@IGZO Just tinkering around in Target and I found:-

All models up to Audeo L do indicate the version number of Autosense.
All of the Audeo I models (including Sphere) do NOT indicate the version number of Autosense. Depending on the tech level (I-50, I-70, I-90) it is displayed as Autosense Standard or Premium etc.
This anomaly seems to be baked into Target and is either intentional by Phonak or it is a bug that needs fixing.

Must be a bug Gilbert. Like so many others.
But thank you ! That is why I don’t see it.

I am finding weird behavior in Target. For example, the way selected Modes can become unselected, or the mode selected defaults back to the CALM.

The newly updated Phonak App, still has the nerve wracking behavior of turning on the HA mics, when the Streamed sound slider is nudged up. I could understand it behaving that way, if lowering the stream volume. Though would not expect or desire it. But turning on the mics, when raising the stream level is totally sick!
HOWEVER here is a new thing I find:

Now notice that in the second photo, the AMBIENT button lies above the TV, and the VOLUME HEADING referring to the stream volume, lies above the SURROUNDINGS slider Pan direction. This is counter intuitive and not what a user would expect.

Why do Phonak designers care so little to see things as the user of their products shall?

Target question here - The finetuning Gain/MPO screen has various graph display options. I used to use the real time display to get a sense of the visual/hearing relationship. But lately actually fine tuning on the Output HL screen.
Is that the recommended screen for me?
What benefits do other screens have for DIYers?

ALSO - The compression screen and the whole science of compression is fascinating. Could a caring professional give me a hint on when you would tweak the Compression curve from the compression screen. As opposed to doing it via the individual gain controls.

Also in Target software for example, are attack and delay options adjustable or are they built into the fitting rationale chosen?

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