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Hi Fellow Hard Of Hearing-ers and DIYers,

I am VERY tempted to go down the path.

This is because I am not having great results with my new Phonak i90 Spheres….or more to the point, with audiologists who can make them sound amazing for me.

I had a wonderful audiologist who got them initially set up and working to a 6 out of 10 (good), but she has now left her clinic. I saw the main audiologist two days ago and he totally ruined the good start the original person made, so much so that I went back today and got him to put it back to how it was two days ago.

I am an IT person and a musician - I downloaded the Target software, and I am confident that if I purchase a Noahlink Wireless 2 gadget I can slowly learn and do a better job than the clinic I purchased my from 2 weeks ago.

Does the Target software “pull” from the hearing aids ? Will it recognise my 6 out of 10 settings and thus I can start from this kind of sort of ok base line ?

Or, does it only “push” to the hearing aids ? And therefore I will need to start from a clean slate brand new out of the box set up ? Or somehow convince the audiologist to export a copy of my “file” and email it to me, so that I can import it into my copy of Target ?

Thanks,

SaxMan :saxophone::ear_with_hearing_aid:

(Melbourne, Australia)

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Not only does it pull in the current settings, but the most common initial advice to new DIYers is to save the settings to TWO clients, one to keep safe and one to use for experiments. That way you can always fall back to a known state (whether you consider that good or not….)

WH

In addition to what @WhiteHat said, here are two videos that you may find useful.

The first one deals with the Philips hearing aid but programing is similar enough that you can gain some good information.

The second one is a training video #42874 from Audiology Online. You have to register, but it is free unless you need continuing education credit. (apparantly this will be updated on Monday Sept 15, 2025 with course 42918 which you can watch live.

In reply to @raylock1

Is this the second video you were mentioning @raylock1 ?

Phonak Target Software: Flexibility Meets Expertise | 42918 | Hearing Course...23

Target fitting software is an integral part of the fitting process and is being updated regularly. While much of the fitting software remains the consistent with previous versions, updates include new hearing performance features, programing options...

Go for it. I’m finally getting decent results for speech, and music. I found Phonak Target defaults to the “Adaptive Phonak Digital 2.0” (Lumity). I’m happy with this, except for Music and Streaming where bass and mids are very low.

I’ve had to drastically alter the streaming and music programmes.

It’s fun experimenting.

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In reply to @PeterH

Thanks for the encouragement @PeterH .

My new Phonak Spheres are great in noisy environments.

However, there is a significant hiss in quiet situations that I am very keen to get rid of. This is simply not going to happen with the current humans at the clinic I purchased them from - hence my post here.

I also suspect that it may be fun experimenting, as well as potentially a little bit addictive. :grinning_face:

That’s the same problem I had - my husband sorted it with the Target software. In my case it was because the audiologist hadn’t updated target with the serial numbers of my moulds and it was still set as power domes!
Are you using domes ? I found I had this problem when the domes were not pushed in far enough - also had more occlusion. The issue was they kept slipping out. I much prefer my vented custom C shells.

Thanks @SandraN . Yes, I am using domes. I suspect that custom vented cshells might be the way to go. I will investigate over the next couple of weeks ! :ear_with_hearing_aid::+1::grinning_face:

Update - I have ordered the Noahlink wireless 2 gadget. It should arrive late next week.

I am looking forward to putting my ears into my own hands ! :+1:

Just save the existing fitting as a “new client”. Then, disconnect. Creat a new client, and connect from the start.

I connected my professionally programmed Audeo P90s and saved them as “P90 Original”.

I then created a new client, for experimenting. I know, if it all goes wrong, I can reset to the original settings.

I have watched the video for the Audiology Online course mentioned above - Phonak Target Software Course # 42918. It gives a fantastic overview of the Target software. A must watch. :+1:

I am about to watch this other Advanced Target Programming course. The preview and the course description appears to also be useful for Phonak programming.

Course # 42974

Advanced Target Programming | 42974 | Hearing Aids - Course 4297414

Phonak Target is the world’s favorite fitting software. Easy to use and navigate, Phonak Target 6.2 includes support Phonak hearing aids, including the newest additions of Virto Marvel and Naida Marvel. Discover how to optimize your patient’s hearing

This one also looks interesting:

All Around Infinio Sphere | 40584 | Hearing Aids - Course 405841

This course dives into Phonak Infinio Sphere, including how DEEPSONIC was developed, what makes it unique in the industry, proven benefit in lab and real-world application, and programming in the Target fitting software.

Each of these videos run for about an hour.

I am keen to learn as much as I can BEFORE I attempt to adjust my Phonak Spheres….just in case I totally mess it up and have to go back to the audiologist and suggest that it’s a PEBCAK issue…potentially very embarrassing…..:see_no_evil_monkey::speak_no_evil_monkey::hear_no_evil_monkey:

(Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard).

@SaxMan said:

I am keen to learn as much as I can BEFORE I attempt to adjust my Phonak Spheres….

Don’t overthink it all, it’s so easy enough to do, the courses are helpful, but once you’ve started your project’s you’ll not bother going back to them, everything is self explanatory in target and a lot of fun trying out different formulas etc you’ll wish you started earlier!

@SaxMan said:

just in case I totally mess it up and have to go back to the audiologist and suggest that it’s a PEBCAK issue…potentially very embarrassing…..

No you’ll never need to do this, as I mentioned before you make up the two separate clients, so you’ll always have your original audiology settings to load/fall back on.

Thank you for the friendly “pull yourself together, man !” slap across the face @tenkan .

It is very much appreciated ! :grinning_face::+1::ear_with_hearing_aid::saxophone:

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