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I bought the Phonak Audéo I90-Sphere Ultra and two Roger On 3 mics. I had heard they would network which is something I’ve been looking into for many years. I was able to pair them to the HAs, then to the Roger app, then to each other. I imagined setting them both in table mode and placing them on opposite sides of a large meeting room. But I was only able to network them in presenter mode, like two people wearing them. I can swap one of them into table mode but that disables the other one. Is there any way to set up two or more microphones networked in table mode? I have asked the provider I purchased them from and Phonak support, but I’m waiting on their response. I’m wondering if maybe it’s possible with different mics, I just got the impression that the Roger On3 mics could do anything and everything the other Roger mics could do. I’m wondering if maybe it can be done with different mics, I just got the impression that the Roger On 3 mics could do anything and everything the other Roger mics could do.

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I am following this as I am new to Phonak and Roger ON 3. I have had mt Spheres, not Utra yet. I am a long time Oticon aids user, and was still struggling in really noisy environments and my audiologist of 7 years suggested that I consider a different brand of hearing aids. I read as much as I could about the Spheres and watched YouTube videos. I emailed my audiologist said I believe you really wanted me to think about the Phonak Spheres. He emailed back that he has found that it better to not out right say what aids to someone like me that does a lot of research and has worn aids for a couple of decades. Well I am so happy with the Spheres but I haven’t seen the use for my Roger ON yet. Yes it is the Swiss army knife of hearing aid extra devices but my Spheres are so great at doing what extra I needed from my aids that I just haven’t seen the need for the Roger ON as of yet.

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@tmcdonald46 said:

Is there any way to set up two or more microphones networked in table mode?

i don’t have Roger mics, but in the Phonak user guide for MyRogerMic App3 in chapter MultiTalker Network , the following is written:
“ Your Roger On microphone can be combined with other Roger microphones, e.g. Roger Table Mic “

So you can combine Roger On with Roger Table Mic’s

Phonak Roger MultiTalker Network: Roger On VS Roger Table Mic II
2 x Roger On can’t be used both in Table Mode. 1 x would have to be in Lanyard Mode and 1 x in Table Mode. Phonak stopped it from working so you would have to buy the Table Mics. Difference between first generation Table Mics and Table Mic II is huge! Link is a UK link as I’m in UK but it’s a USA seller. Very good price. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124801014671?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=rak8isqstkk&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=KUhnXMPcSoW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY You w…

Pretty sure Roger On when networked work as lapel microphones. The only Roger mics that can be networked in Table mode are the Table microphones.

@tmcdonald46 said:

But I was only able to network them in presenter mode, like two people wearing them

When networking Roger On’s and or Selects, one of them must be worn in presenter mode. This is Phonak’s way of making you want to buy Table Mic’s which can be networked to another or several Table Mic’s in the table position.

Don’t know if Phonak wants you to buy Table Mics but if you want to do what it seems like you want to do the Table Mics work great. I use 2 on a long conference table almost daily and have for years.

Thanks everyone. All your answers are correct. Phonak also responded to my emails and they confirmed it.

I made some assumptions when I was researching Roger microphones. I saw that Roger On 3 seemed to have all the functionality. They have unlimited receivers. They have table mode. They can be networked in a Multi-Talker network. But those last two features cannot be combined. In a Multi-Talker network they will only allow presenter mode, held upright by one person, or worn on a lanyard.

All your suggestions are correct. If I want a Multi-Talker network with multiple mics in running in table mode I’ll need to get the Roger Table Mics, and for unlimited receivers I need specifically the Roger Table Mic 3’s.

Thanks everyone!

@tmcdonald46 said:

I need specifically the Roger Table Mic 3’s.

You already have the Roger On 3 which has an unlimited supply of licenses. Any Table Mic will work v1, v2 or v3. I would pick up a couple of v1 or v2 on Ebay, they will work just like the v3’s and are a lot cheaper. I use two v1’s I got on Ebay a couple of years ago and they work fine with my Spheres.

They are quite small. Each would easily fit in the palm of your hand. My wife puts them in her purse or I can stick one in a pocket.

Guess it depends on how many pockets you have😁. Mine each take up about the same space or a little less than my wallet. They do not need any special protection.

Thanks! Oh yeah, no way to defeat minimum character requirement.

Update. I got the Table Mics, 2 of them. I got the v3. I just couldn’t find any older models on eBay or anywhere else, at the time. They were new. I feel like I got the best possible deal, but still very expensive, about US $1200 each. I have used them networked in table mode and they work very well. They don’t work with the myRogerMic app as far as I can tell. So I can’t see any way to manipulate the microphones like you can do with the On3.

I tried using them along with the On3 which does show up in the myRogerMic app, but there’s no indication that the Table Mics are paired to it, even with the On upright in presenter mode. I can switch back and forth between the On and the Table Mics, but I can’t seem to get them to all work together.

The Table Mics I got each came with firm padded case. Each case can hold 2 Table Mics. The Table Mics are extremely small. The case is huge. I am looking into smaller cases. I wouldn’t carry around such an expensive item I’m my pocket without a good protective case.

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@MDB said:

Curious how you carry around a couple of Table Mics? Do you have something special that you carry them in? Thanks.

When I trialed them, there was a useful stiff sturdy case with zip fastener.

@tmcdonald46 said:

They don’t work with the myRogerMic app as far as I can tell. So I can’t see any way to manipulate the microphones like you can do with the On3.

Do you have a pilot for them?

I believe the myRogermic only works with the Roger On, not with the Select or the Table mic. I have never found a need to connect the Table mic with the Roger On, especially with two table mic’s. Does it work connected to the On when the two table mics are connected together ? I am guessing no but don’t really know.

In reply to @raylock1

I think your right again.

I paired a Roger On 3 with a Roger Table Mic 3. I know they paired, the Table Mic light turned green for 2 seconds and the display on the Roger On shows a connect/link symbol followed by a checkmark. And myRogerMic displays MultiTalker Network.

When I turn on just a Roger On I see the Hearing program change to RogerDirect + mic in myPhonak, and I see it connected and manageable in myRogerMic and I hear it picking up sound.

I put the Roger On in its upright cradle which puts it in Presenter mode. If I then turn on a Roger Table Mic, the Roger On goes silent, but not showing mute. The Hearing program stays the same in myPhonak, still RogerDirect + mic. myRogerMic still shows the Roger On status as active, but it’s not picking up sound. I can mute and unmute the Roger On in myRogerMic and with the button and it reflects the status in myRogerMic and on the display, but it remains silent, while the Roger Table Mic continues to pick up sound.

If I take the Roger On out of the cradle and orient it in Pointing or Table mode it remains in Presenter mode and the display switches to mute. If I press the button to override the mode to Pointer or Table mode then it starts picking up sound, and the Table Mic goes silent.

If I return the Roger On to upright Presenter mode it goes silent even though it is still not muted and the Table Mic starts picking up sound.

I can add a second Table Mic and the two are paired to reach other, to the hearing aids and to the Roger On. Both Table Mics are on and both are picking up sound. Each one has a little remote control that allows mute and volume control. They do not pair to myRogerMic, so no fine tuning like you can do with a single stand-alone Roger On in Table mode.

There may be a way to have all working at the same time but I haven’t found it yet.

The Roger On works by engaging one connected device at a time. It will work with only one additional device, usually a second Roger or select and it flips back and forth as necessary but only one device is active at any given instant. The nice thing about the table mics is that you can connect several together and they all work. At least that is how I have experienced it.

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