Oticon New Product: Oticon Reveal

Indeed, it is too weak for your hearing loss unless REM would show otherwise.

Another fact: Oticon Reveal supports NAL-NL3.

The thing that intrigued me most about their announcement was the 25dB increase in power compared to the competition. However, looking at these datasheets, I don’t seem to see this increased power.

It’s not an 25dB increase in power, it’s a claimed 25dB increase in gain. It’s all to do with the feedback optimizer. The claim is that more gain can be applied without feedback occurring.

It’s actually called “marketing hype” the blurb is always good on paper..

This is how it’s being marketed to professionals.

Putting on my cynic’s hat for a moment… maybe the reason they are stressing ‘context’ so much is that they don’t do speech as well as their competitors?

Also, the dictionary definition of ‘context’:

Context is the background, setting, or surrounding circumstances that help explain an event, a statement, or a word.

I can see it makes sense that the sound of a magpie singing is the context to someone remarking on how beautiful the birdsong is. Most of the time, though, what they are calling ‘context’ is noise. Our needs and wants change as our hearing changes. As of now, context is a whole lot less important to me than understanding what my kids are saying.

Also, I’m sick of the numbers.

@d_Wooluf said:

Our needs and wants change as our hearing changes. As of now, context is a whole lot less important to me than understanding what my kids are saying.

Exactly!

This is worrying. I am very lucky to have been able to afford both the Intents and the Spheres. My view is that the Intents are the superior device (for my specific severe to profound loss), mainly because they achieve consistent and stable gain, especially in the high frequencies, wheras Autosense jumps around too much and in my view attenuates the gain too much in it’s various programs.

However the Spheres trump card is the denoiser DNN in very loud noise. This is where I swap the Intents for the Spheres, literally, on a couple of occassions recently. But honestly, if the Intents performed as well as the Spheres in very loud noise I would never wear the Spheres again. So what have Oticon done here? I am baffled. Is there an improvement in speech in noise in loud situations or not?

Is it the case that there is no improvement and we are being gas lit with all this contextual stuff? As @d_Wooluf says is this a tacit admission that they are not doing conversation as well as the nearest competitors? If true this is concerning and won’t also solve the big elephant in the room, which is group situations in very noisy environments, which ironically Oticon have always banged on about since the release of the OPN in 2016. I am completely confused.

Just a short question in this context. If I have a REM-adjusted program based on a certain fitting formula (VAC+ in my case) and then change the fitting formula to the new NAL formula, the software will re-calculate gains based on the new formula and the REM-adjustments will be lost? So if the REM introduced significant changes, the new formula may not really offer any improvement?

I downloaded Genie 2026.2. I noticed it is not available in all regions.

It has the Oticon Reveal and NAL-NA3. I don’t see any significant differences between the NAL-NA2 and NAL-NA3.

Pics of the Genie 2026.2 with the Oticon Reveal, the new AI Voice Clarifier menu plus my NAL-NA2 + NAL-NA3 below

Yes gone, but you don’t “loose” anything! No one can tell you if you’ll get “improvements” or not, you’ll just have to experiment yourself to see

As far as we know, Oticon has no plans to update the Xceed now. It seems that the UP bte hearing aid market is too small and their focus is on RIC hearing aids which bring them the most revenue. I suggest you go to a competitor like Phonak or Starkey because Oticon probably won’t have them for much longer.

I’ve been playing around with Genie 2026.2, and I’ve noticed a few things:

1. Feedback management control (off, low, normal) is gone.

2. NAL-NL3 is available only for the new Reveal.

3. From what I saw in Genie 2 2026.2, it does seem like the Reveals are indeed an incremental step from the previous generation (Intents). For instance, the “MoreSound Intelligence” of the previous hearing aids is renamed “Reveal AI Clarifier” for the Reveals. It looks like they have essentially the same functionality and controls, but with a different UI and the hyped-up “AI” replacing the former buzzword “Neural” in the noise suppression (why not?).

Since I’m not able to fit the Intents with NAL-NL3, I simulated an NAL-NL3 prescription using the Reveals and then manually copied the target gains back to my Intents, using a template with the NAL-NL2 formula. I don’t know whether this will actually give me NAL-NL3 on my Intents, but it is what it is. I’m going to give my “NL3” a try now.

I noticed that NAL-NL3 prescribes less gain for loud inputs/curves and in the low-frequency region, and uses a different compression rationale, at least for my hearing loss. The screenshots below show the NAL-NL2 and NAL-NL3 targets for comparison (my audiogram and the Reveals).

The first two seem strange. Why limit the use of NAL-NL3 even temporarily?

its under the feedback manager - it has special tab