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Do I need the various programs on the Audeo V90 312T?

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In reply to @KenP

@KenP said:

Well, your citing the need for a second device to communicate with any phone points out the one weakness that makes me avoid Phonak. Their transmission are in the 10.7 Mzh area. I good solution back-in-the-day that has grown obsolete with the strides made by 802.11 LowPower and 802.11 Hi-Ban. This is making possible the MFI upgrade to the scene. It is still an infant but will progress. (10.7Mhz is just a bit away from CB which is around 11Mhz.)

You really are forced to carry 2 devices around whether you opt for the remote or phone device with app because you are going to be carrying around the phone anyway. And, the clip will stream a computer or any Bluetooth audio device. I think one of the phone/BT/HA allows up to 6 different attachments. You also get better distance/positioning with BT over the 10.7.

ken, except i am not glued to my cell phone. rarely have it around me while at home and if i am with my wife i don’t carry it when we go out. part of my retirement was disconnecting from access by my business. if they can’t call me then they have to handle it themselves. i agree with the limitation of the phonak interacting with other devices.

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@gary1001 said:

chuck, who does the web hosting for your thoughts site? just wondering what the monthly cost might be? thanks

I have a blog with JustHost. It is a shared server with multiple accounts using the processor but it doesn’t have much delay. If it did, there’ll be a more active user and I’d ask to be moved. Introductory pricing for up to 2 years was $4.95 a month. (Right now they have a 2.95/mo special) This includes 1st year DNS registration.

I can recommend justhost.com. But here are a bunch of others. I would NOT recommend godaddy.com.

It is easy to set up a blog on them. It is a matter of running a script for the software you wish to use and then configuring it to what you might want different from the starting, vanilla setup.

In reply to @KenP

@KenP said:

Well, your citing the need for a second device to communicate with any phone points out the one weakness that makes me avoid Phonak. Their transmission are in the 10.7 Mzh area. I good solution back-in-the-day that has grown obsolete with the strides made by 802.11 LowPower and 802.11 Hi-Ban. This is making possible the MFI upgrade to the scene. It is still an infant but will progress. (10.7Mhz is just a bit away from CB which is around 11Mhz.)

You really are forced to carry 2 devices around whether you opt for the remote or phone device with app because you are going to be carrying around the phone anyway. And, the clip will stream a computer or any Bluetooth audio device. I think one of the phone/BT/HA allows up to 6 different attachments. You also get better distance/positioning with BT over the 10.7.

Everything I’ve seen regarding Android phones and hearing aids is that unless they’re specific phone models the extra device is needed. I haven’t seen any brand that allows direct streaming to all Android phones without an additional device. That said, I’m not switching phones just for this (at this time anyway) nor am I ever planning on switching to an iPhone. I don’t understand why the companies can’t figure out direct Bluetooth just as I can’t figure out why the wireless streamer needs to be around 8" away from the HA’s themselves to work properly. has a range of 30’. I understand losing SOME distance but down to 8"? That just takes away so much flexibility that the whole concept of the device is distasteful.

@Ansextra said:

Everything I’ve seen regarding Android phones and hearing aids is that unless they’re specific phone models the extra device is needed. I haven’t seen any brand that allows direct streaming to all Android phones without an additional device. That said, I’m not switching phones just for this (at this time anyway) nor am I ever planning on switching to an iPhone. I don’t understand why the HA companies can’t figure out direct Bluetooth just as I can’t figure out why the wireless streamer needs to be around 8" away from the HA’s themselves to work properly. BT has a range of 30’. I understand losing SOME distance but down to 8"? That just takes away so much flexibility that the whole concept of the device is distasteful.

The streaming is bluetooth connected to the smartphone but it is connected to the hearing aids by a very low power connection frequency that is different for each hearing company. The reason for this is to prevent the hearing aid batteries from having and even shorter life. And also to allow for smaller hearing aid devices.
My aids are and use the 312 batteries. I get about 130 - 140 hrs of battery life and I use the streamer, but my streamer battery only last maybe 10 hours of daily use. I use the streaming for not only talking on my cell phone but also talking on my house phone, and streaming the TV sound to my aids. And then there is listening to music while I am out walking for exercise or listening to podcast using my Iphone for music or podcast. I also at time use my bose headphones to listen to music, by placing my headset over my ears and hearing aids, and of course using the music program of my aids. For me hearing aids are what make my daily life possible, and I use what ever aid I can get to make that even better.

@cvkemp said:

The streaming is bluetooth connected to the smartphone but it is connected to the hearing aids by a very low power connection frequency that is different for each hearing company. The reason for this is to prevent the hearing aid batteries from having and even shorter life. And also to allow for smaller hearing aid devices.
My aids are ITC and use the 312 batteries. I get about 130 - 140 hrs of battery life and I use the streamer, but my streamer battery only last maybe 10 hours of daily use. I use the streaming for not only talking on my cell phone but also talking on my house phone, and streaming the TV sound to my aids. And then there is listening to music while I am out walking for exercise or listening to podcast using my Iphone for music or podcast. I also at time use my bose headphones to listen to music, by placing my headset over my ears and hearing aids, and of course using the music program of my aids. For me hearing aids are what make my daily life possible, and I use what ever aid I can get to make that even better.

Ahhh… So the connection from the streamer to my phone is bluetooth but the connection from the streamer to my ’s is a different method altogether. That would explain it. Thanks! I still need to test the TV streamer but I’m pretty sure I won’t need it. I can’t imagine my HA’s giving me the same fidelity as our home sound system. Also, since trying my HA’s with our TV (without the streamer) amazingly enough none of the shows I watched had any mumbling actors like they did pre-HA’s. Coincidence? I think not.

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@gary1001 said:

ken, except i am not glued to my cell phone. rarely have it around me while at home and if i am with my wife i don’t carry it when we go out. part of my retirement was disconnecting from access by my business. if they can’t call me then they have to handle it themselves. i agree with the limitation of the phonak interacting with other devices.

finally something we agree on… Im not longer attached to my phone isnt a smart phone anyways. if its anything important my wife has her phone if we are out.

I have now tested my ’s at a Steve Winwood concert and a hot sauce festival (extremely noisy). They are working fine without any adjustments to the automatic program. Wind noise is also VERY minimal. The only changes I had my Audi make was to add more bass to my music. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to listen with the streamer tomorrow.

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i just got my Audeo V90’s two weeks ago. At first my audi did not want to program the buttons, but since I had had before (which I lost in November) she did add a couple: music and stereo zoom. The Dr. did not initially order a ComPilot so I have to go back in a few weeks to get that paired and other programs added so i will be able to control the volume on the compilot and the program on the HA buttons. (Apparently Phonaks HA buttons cannot do both both volume and multiple programs). I had Naida S IXs before. In addition to stereo zoom and music, I had selective zoom (right, left, front, back - useful in a car or dining table) and one that turned off as with some [phones it would annoyingly frequently cut in and out. Actually I had two music programs - one with telecoil and one without. I used the one without with headphones that had magnetic speakers (I suppose I could switch to ceramic headphones) as otherwise they triggered the telecoil and cut off frequencies. the other I used to listen to music from speakers. Neither of these music program used sound recover (compression) so to the extent I can hear the sounds, they are at the true frequency. I would be interested to hear of any other useful programs.

@TambourineMan said:

… (Apparently Phonaks HA buttons cannot do both both volume and multiple programs). …

Yes, they can. The buttons can be programmed for Volume Up (R), Program Change (L); or, Program Change (R), Volume Down (L). The volume change provides five steps of 10dB each.

The audi tried to program a short press for volume and a long press for program changes with left-right sync on. the software seemed to allow it, but when I/we went to check it, it didn’t work (the program change did not cycle back to the normal (automatic) position). The audi even called a Phonak rep. I only heard one side of the conversation but the rep appeared to confirm it could not be done, so the audi ordered a ComPilot. This is Ok with me as I want the ComPilot for bluetooth and only infrequently need to change the volume. I wonder if the problem was using Noah rather than Target. I had the same problem with my Naida S IX’s. It seems like a trivial program exercise for a competent programmer so one does wonder why Phonak has not developed a solution in three years.

Edited

As I understand it, NOAH is a framework for managing client information and fitting software for instruments from multiple vendors/manufacturers, and for our V90s NOAH would be a platform for a Phonak Target fitting module.

I don’t see anything in Target 4.1 supporting short versus long presses for the Audéo V90, but I do see the left/right options I noted in my previous post.
Edit: The preceding statement is incorrect for the V90 which does support short- and long-press button functions. (The Q90 does not.)

@brec said:

As I understand it, NOAH is a framework for managing client information and fitting software for instruments from multiple HA vendors/manufacturers, and for our V90s NOAH would be a platform for a Phonak Target fitting module.

I don’t see anything in Target 4.1 supporting short versus long presses for the Audéo V90, but I do see the left/right options I noted in my previous post.

brec, in the previous post are you saying that one aid would control volume and the other programs? let’s suppose you were controlling volume with the left aid, there were five points of adjustment with three being the default, would i press the button three times to get to the highest volume?? or would the highest volume be the default therefore i could only reduce the volume?

I think the amount volume can move up/down depends on the aid. My new KS5 (whopee) can run from 1 to 13 with 7 the default – as reported on my iPhone.

In reply to @gary1001

@gary1001 said:

brec, in the previous post are you saying that one aid would control volume and the other programs?

Yes.

let’s suppose you were controlling volume with the left aid, there were five points of adjustment with three being the default, would i press the button three times to get to the highest volume?? or would the highest volume be the default therefore i could only reduce the volume?
Your questions are beyond my knowledge, at least for now, with respect to only one aid controlling volume. As yet I don’t understand if or how when set for only one volume button you can get back (cycle around) to the original state. In a couple of days I may have experimental data – I am without my H.A.s until tomorrow afternoon.

(The left button always reduces; the right button increases; this is true whether one or both buttons are set to have a volume change function.)

Based on prior two-volume-buttons experience, I’m pretty sure the starting state is the middle of the range, so that if set for five steps you can go up five or down five for a total range of ten. The volume buttons behavior available settings are:

(a) linear changes
(b) FlexControl shaped gain changes
(c) FlexControl shaped gain changes + sound cleaning program option changes
The FlexControl feature is discussed in a variety of formats on this page4.

For volume up, the available settings are: 6dB, 3 steps; or 10dB, 5 steps.
For volume down the same plus 20dB, 10 steps.

brec, i must have misunderstood something you said. i thought you said that if you wanted to control both the volume and programs through the button on the aid, one aid would have to control volume and the other aid would have to control program selection.

In reply to @brec

@brec said:

I don’t see anything in Target 4.1 supporting short versus long presses for the Audéo V90…

When I wrote that I was mistakenly looking at the Q90, not the V90. The V90 supports short- and long-press button functions.

In reply to @brec

@brec said:

Yes, they can. The buttons can be programmed for Volume Up ®, Program Change (L); or, Program Change ®, Volume Down (L). The volume change provides five steps of 10dB each.

Does that mean you would only be able to turn volume up OR down, but not both?

I’ve only got one manual program which is Music via Roger. The rest of my programs are automatic.

I wear Phonak Brio I’s.

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