Domes backing out

@doubledown said:

no, callous will get rid of any discomfort or pain from having something rub against your ear canal wall.

you may need even bigger domes. the aids should almost be able to hang from your domes. this could also be a problem with the wire length. they come in many different lengths. your domes should not be moving at all in your ears as their job is to point the receiver straight down your ear canal. if the domes do not work they have other styles

this is actually a very serious issue as going to custom molds is something that should be done as a last resort. it forces you to hear the world almost exclusively through the hearing aids which is a really bad thing. this kind of thing should only be for those with a severe loss. but here we have people voluntarily making themselves more handicapped than they already are.

If you look at Jcummins hearing test results, would you not say that he does indeed have a severe/profound hearing loss?

When some time back, and I discussed RIC Type HAs with my local audi, she said without a doubt, that with the degree of loss I have, no universal domes of any type would correctly work, that without question custom molds would be definitely needed, no matter brand-model of HA.

His hearing test results are not too different from my own if you look. (yeas, I note at 250-1000hz his hearing is not as bad as mine, and that closed domes or custom domes might kill a little of his natural hearing at these frequencies)

You say “it forces you to hear the world almost exclusively through the hearing aids, which is a really bad thing”. In truth, and not to be at all rude to jcummins, or you either, but he ain’t hearing a darn thing without HAs, virtually at any frequency, just like myself. That he’s losing normal hearing at basically all frequencies, and without HA’s, or HAs with open fitted domes, I don’t really see what advantage he w=might possibly gain, other than a universal dome is user changeable, whereas a custom mold isn’t.

I’m no expert, only what I’ve been told, and other audis have also agreed with what I’ve mentioned above, that with this degree of hearing loss, there really is no other options but a custom mold.

Does that necessarily mean the first pair of custom molds he receives will be the answer, and these feedback issues will then be cured? The probability can go either way IMO. To get lucky and get a precise comfortable fit with both, or maybe not. That another set of imnpressions may have to be again taken.

That feedback will-can occur in any instance of mold type, and as I’m finding myself, and just returned a custom ITC for feedback issues myself, there’s no guarantee of correct fit first time out, no matter what 3D state of the art imaging etc what a company claims. It only lessens the probability of perhaps an incorrect fit.

This is also no doubt exasperated by the amount of high output gain required. The higher the gain needed due to the greater severity of hearing loss, the greater chance of feedback issues occurring. That for those who have mild, or moderate losses, yes, many can easily attain a better performance and get away with universal molds of the various types. In our personal instances, I think not.

If his HAs were knocked down in overall gain by 8-10 db, I bet he wouldn’t hear a peep of feedback. But then of course the HAs are not then performing and helping with his hearing loss, sounding like he’s got pillows over both ears, with not enough ample gain for his personal loss.

Yes, the audiogram is labeled profound loss.

Another thing I’ve noticed, I’ve increased the volume of the aids a few times over the past two weeks. Not sure if I’m getting use to the initial loudness, or whether the domes are backed out that tiny bit, making me increase the volume. It also seems as the day wears on, they get looser and looser. Right now end of day, getting light ever so often squeals in my right ear…even though it seems the domes are in far enough…I think that deformity of the dome I spoke of is an issue. Not getting those light squeals in my left ear.

I am going to Costco Friday…and intend to at least discuss custom molds…pretty certain I will get them.

@BlueCrab said:

I have closed domes, and I’m pretty sure he said they were 10mm. From reading these forums it seems to me that open or closed actually changes the sound you hear, is that correct? I was thinking of trying the Tulip style, as I thought someone else mentioned that tulips helped keep theirs in. My audi never discussed dome styles, the whys and what fors, I guess I’ll have to bring it up to him on Monday.

when you open your mouth it causes your ear lobes to move. this is why you need a wire of a certain length that has enough slack to prevent the domes from moving.

Darn it, was just typing a reply, hit one darn stupid key on this laptop, and the entire post vanished! Can’t tell you how many times this frustrating thing happens to me on these forums.

In a nutshell, perhaps jcummins, when he first installs his HAs, his canals are dry. But then as time passes, moisture builds, and perhaps oils and waxes within the canal, to cause things to get a bit “slippery”?

I know when I shortly auditioned the Phonak Audeo V90 with custom molds, they were a clear hard see through plastic, you could see the receiver within, and believe too there was a vent.

Vent holes can be plugged if needed, and even some of the plugs that can be had also have a variety of smaller hole sizes.

Sort of defeats the purpose of having a vent though. Even still, and although a vent might help lessen that occluded feeling, and let some moisture escape the canal, under certain conditions of high heat and humidity, it appears no vent size may stave the substantial unrush of excessive moisture within the ear canal.

I gather with a new user, a person’s ear seems to recognize a mold or a HA as a “Foreign Object”, and then a person might then generate much more in the way of oils and waxes. I don’t think any user ever really gets over that, because anything in the ear hinders nature to naturally let the ear canal dry on a continual basis. It’s like putting a lid on a pot, the moisture has nowhere to escape to.

Once a custom mold is selected, then there’s no easy way to again try universal molds, unless one were to buy another pair of Recievers. (They sometimes aren’t that prohibitly expensive) The Receivers in a custom mold are in most cases I believe permanently incased in the mold. About the only thing user replaceable might be a wax guard at the very tip of the mold, and then vent cleaning, and gentle mold cleaning, that’s about it.

@MarkD51 said:

Jcummins, didn’t you once comment that you thought you had one canal which seemed to vary in size, shape, and or seemed to close at times of the day? Which one, and again which ear is causing you problems?

Yes I did. It was my left ear that seemed the canal would close up…pre HAs. Since wearing HAs, it doesn’t seem that way at all. I thought it would be the problem ear, but instead it’s my right one.

The HIS mentioned she was using the largest double dome they have 10mm, and the way she said it, in thinking back, bet she was wondering if they would work. I ‘think’ my ear canals are simply large. The domes slip in really deep, to me, when I put them in first time in the mornings. Perhaps you thought of dampness etc in the ear as the day wears on, has merit. But whatever reason, it seems the pattern is the same every day…and getting worse, as if my canals are getting bigger, or the domes getting softer.

@jcummins said:

It actually seems they are getting worse, even with the locks. They just slide out that certain amount. Last night I was watching TV, with laptop in my lap, really not listening to the TV, but knew what was going on. I heard a squeal in my right ear…pushed them it and it was very noticeable how much better I was hearing TV at that point.

So…going to take a heck of a callous to keep them in. Seems their normal position is eased out just a little that takes the edge out of my hearing.

Thats exactly what mine do even with the locks. I fell big occlusion until I push them back in every 20 minutes. I also get the squeal until I adjust them. I’m thinking about taking a hair dryer and bending the lock somehow to make it more snug

Jcummins.
Don’t quote me on this, but if you should ultimately decide to get custom fitted Molds, there “might” be an additional charge. Sometimes as I understand, this charge can be around $200 for both Molds.

They of course have to take impressions, and I would discuss with the fitter-etc the problems you might experience, what may be the best methods to then hold you jaw, slightly agape, wide agape, etc.

Thus, if you’re thinking that you’re liking these HAs you are now auditioning, and believe they may eventually be keepers that you like and can live with, then I would say go ahead. But if there’s other issues you might not be happy with that you feel these HAs hold little to no potential for yourself, then you might have to make a hard call, one way or another?

I’m sure in your state, there’s a prescribed amount of a trial period, usually by state law.

@MarkD51 said:

If that’s the total cost for custom molds, then it surely is worth a try. In fact I’d say no matter the cost, it very might likely be the best option for you. The difference between satisfaction, and annoyance.

I would assume in just about any case, that one would try to use similar type domes-molds in both ears, and not mixing. (Example custom mold in one ear, and a universal in the other)

As some have told me when trialing HAs, write down notes of any-all issues in detail, dislikes, likes, changes you think might help if implemented, etc. This way when you go in, there won’t then be something you had forgotten to mention

I had a two page word document printed out when I went in last time, of notes/issues that I wrote down as they occurred. The HIS said I like this. Most people don’t give you the feed back.

She put on new domes, same as what was on there. Think these are worse than the others. Like squeals at odd times. The HIS said that’s leakage around the dome. I think the molds are going to solve these issues. Now…if I could make the bluetooth work right…which is in a different thread.

@doubledown said:

when you open your mouth it causes your ear lobes to move. this is why you need a wire of a certain length that has enough slack to prevent the domes from moving. do you have that slack?

Not really, the wire seems pretty tight against my ear. I’ll discuss that with him tomorrow.

if not then you need a longer wire. the domes should never ever move once you’ve placed them in. they should go in about 1 cm into your canal. any squealing or loss of volume is probably due to the domes moving and not pointing directly into your ears.

They go plenty far into the canal. My audi said I should not be able to see the receiver, which is true for the most part. I usually use a small mirror with the bathroom mirror to check, and it’s pretty far in there. But they do slide out at times, especially when eating, so I’ll discuss the wire length with him. I don’t usually get squealing, once or twice when pushing them back in is all. Loss of volume is an issue.

closed domes should be more occluding than open domes and double domes should be the most occluding domes. but none of these domes are as occluding as a custom mold. you can get custom molds with larger vents which many in this discussion should consider. however, I don’t believe the people who designed these custom molds ever intended them to be used by people with your kind of loss. they probably never dreamed that people would opt for custom molds to hear music and because of discomfort issues.

I’m going to keep trying different domes I think. I’m also considering another brand of aid. What’s your thoughts on that? Do different brands have better success with retention?

as for things slipping out, how in the world have rite aids been existence for 10 years and now all of a sudden nearly all users on this board needs a custom mold? clearly there’s something else going on here.

Look out folks! He’s on to us!

Just teasing doubledown, thanks for the advice!

@BlueCrab said:

Not really, the wire seems pretty tight against my ear. I’ll discuss that with him tomorrow.

They go plenty far into the canal. My audi said I should not be able to see the receiver, which is true for the most part. I usually use a small mirror with the bathroom mirror to check, and it’s pretty far in there. But they do slide out at times, especially when eating, so I’ll discuss the wire length with him. I don’t usually get squealing, once or twice when pushing them back in is all. Loss of volume is an issue.

looks like you need a longer wire and possibly bigger domes.

Quick comment from a newbie: Wearing Oticon Alta2 Pro mini rites (AGX version) for 2 months. Tried small, medium & large Oticon open domes. The medium domes worked well in R ear, but all sizes backed out of L ear. Tried canal locks - no help. Tried custom molds - backed out even more than the domes did. Also disliked the occlusion of the custom molds, despite drilling the vent to max size. Then tried Phonak & Starkey open domes. The medium Starkey stays in fine in the L ear, does not back out at all.

So, if your hearing loss is appropriate for open domes (mainly high frequency loss) but the domes are backing out, consider trying a different brand of open dome. Make sure that it fits the receiver, so that it does not fall off in the canal.

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L 20 15 15 30 50 75

Dayovilla -
Why not (after spending $3K-$5K) spend another $50-$100 and have them custom fitted?
I still can’t figure out why the same “item” is called a “dome” it not custom fitted and a “mold” if made for your own ear.
They all come with “open fit” if called for.

Dayovilla already explained that custom earmolds were slipping out. Some people have very straight ear canals which won’t retain molds. They may also have a shallow concha bowl, so a canal lock doesn’t work either. A full skeleton lock may be needed. Instant-fit domes are also called “eartips” or “earbuds” by some manufacturers. And not all earmolds have the space for a large vent to prevent occlusion.

@miket said:

Dayovilla -
Why not (after spending $3K-$5K) spend another $50-$100 and have them custom fitted?

There’s two ways of looking at this. Your way is “well, you’ve already spent several thousand dollars, what’s $50-100 more? No big deal.”
But my way of looking at it is “I’ve already spent several thousand dollars, and now you want $50-100 more? Are you crazy?”

All a matter of perspective. Luckily my audi is not charging me extra for the custom molds.

I still can’t figure out why the same “item” is called a “dome” it not custom fitted and a “mold” if made for your own ear.

Probably so we know the difference between the two. And because the dome looks like a dome, and the mold is molded to the ear. But I’m just guessing.