Hm, this is interesting. You mean the SN of the Roger Pen (or the MLx receiver) has to be uploaded to the HA? If it’s a receiver that’s connected directly to the battery door of the HA then I can see why. But if it’s just the MLx receiver connected to the input of the streamer (like the ConnectClip) and not directly to the HA itself, I don’t understand why the HA mfg cares to get the SN of the external Roger receiver (or the Roger Pen) for. Isn’t it just an external audio source and should be treated like any external audio source driving the streamer?
No, the streamer needs to be paired. The Mlx input is dumb.
No, the streamer needs to be paired. The Mlx input is dumb.
If you’re saying that the streamer (ConnectClip in this case) needs to be paired with the OPN, then it’s naturally understandable. And I assume that you don’t need the audi to pair the OPN with the ConnectClip, you can do it yourself.
But the OP asked if the audi needs to pair the Roger Pen with the , and I think the answer is no, right? The Roger Pen is paired with the Mlx receiver via their own proprietary , the Mlx receiver provides the sound source to the ConnectClip via the input jacks, which is a physical connection. The ConnectClip is paired to the OPN and streams directly to the OPN via 2.4GHz.
But the Roger Pen and the OPN don’t connect directly.
[quote=Zebras;146695]The Roger Pen helps greatly in meetings, couldn’t be without it.
I wear Phonak Q70s with integrated receivers.
Battery life is great, I use size 13 batteries and they last 2 weeks.
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Do you have the person doing the speaking wear it or are you able to get by with pointing the Roger Pen at the speaker? Or do you place it on the table for roundtable type meetings?
I’ve used the Live Listen feature on my iPhone and find that it produces an echo so I am hearing the person speak naturally and then a nanosecond later their voice is also streamed to my aids.
I place it in the middle of the table for meetings but I also often point it at people. As yet, I haven’t had anyone wear it. It copes well. I’ve found the Pen does well in terms of changing the microphone mode depending on it’s position.
If you’re saying that the streamer (ConnectClip in this case) needs to be paired with the OPN, then it’s naturally understandable. And I assume that you don’t need the audi to pair the OPN with the ConnectClip, you can do it yourself.
But the OP asked if the audi needs to pair the Roger Pen with the HAs, and I think the answer is no, right? The Roger Pen is paired with the Mlx receiver via their own proprietary FM, the Mlx receiver provides the sound source to the ConnectClip via the input jacks, which is a physical connection. The ConnectClip is paired to the OPN and streams directly to the OPN via 2.4GHz.
But the Roger Pen and the OPN don’t connect directly.
No, that’s different to how it is now. The Alta 2 streamer requires Genie to be open and a serial number to prevent cross-talk from streamers. So you can’t complete the set-up without visiting your audiologist. You’re assuming that this won’t be the case with the Opns, which might be true but runs against the existing pairing convention.
No, that’s different to how it is now. The Alta 2 streamer requires Genie to be open and a serial number to prevent cross-talk from streamers. So you can’t complete the set-up without visiting your audiologist. You’re assuming that this won’t be the case with the Opns, which might be true but runs against the existing pairing convention.
OK, but to clarify again, if the OPN works like the Alta 2, when you get the OPN streamer, which is the ConnectClip, you’ll have to go to the audi and pair it with your OPN via Genie to get the serial number from the ConnectClip, right?
But later on, if you get the Roger Pen, you don’t need to go back to your audi again to pair the Roger Pen with your OPN and give Genie the Roger Pen serial number, right? This is the clarification I’ve been trying to get from your statement. Because the OP was asking if he’d have to go see an audi to connect a used Roger Pen bought from eBay with his OPN or not. I don’t think he would have to do this, right?
The Roger Pen connects to the Mlx receiver wirelessly via proprietary , the Mlx receiver connects physically to the ConnectClip (if the ConnectClip supports it), and the ConnectClip connects wirelessly via 2.4GHz direct streaming to the OPN. The Roger Pen doesn’t connect directly to the OPN, so you shouldn’t need to wonder if you will need to see your audi and see if he/she will agree to pair a used Roger Pen you bought on eBay with your OPN.
OK, but to clarify again, if the OPN works like the Alta 2, when you get the OPN streamer, which is the ConnectClip, you’ll have to go to the audi and pair it with your OPN via Genie to get the serial number from the ConnectClip, right?
But later on, if you get the Roger Pen, you don’t need to go back to your audi again to pair the Roger Pen with your OPN and give Genie the Roger Pen serial number, right? This is the clarification I’ve been trying to get from your statement. Because the OP was asking if he’d have to go see an audi to connect a used Roger Pen bought from eBay with his OPN or not. I don’t think he would have to do this, right?
The Roger Pen connects to the Mlx receiver wirelessly via proprietary FM, the Mlx receiver connects physically to the ConnectClip (if the ConnectClip supports it), and the ConnectClip connects wirelessly via 2.4GHz direct streaming to the OPN. The Roger Pen doesn’t connect directly to the OPN, so you shouldn’t need to wonder if you will need to see your audi and see if he/she will agree to pair a used Roger Pen you bought on eBay with your OPN.
Um bongo - is there a reason why you don’t seem to favor the Roger Pen? I’m just wondering what alternative devices might be better to help out in noisy group settings like meetings or conferences. If I had Resound aids, I would be interested in the multimic, but I’m not sure that would surpass the Roger Pen at least based on others’ comments.
Yes you can, but it is not automatic. You would need in addition to the pen either one of two receiver types - a Roger MyLink, or a boot receiver that goes into the base of the Naida. I think these will cost approx $200 for the MyLink or $500 for the boot receiver, but I am not sure of the U.S pricing.
Yes you can, but it is not automatic. You would need in addition to the pen either one of two receiver types - a Roger MyLink, or a boot receiver that goes into the base of the Naida. I think these will cost approx $200 for the MyLink or $500 for the boot receiver, but I am not sure of the U.S pricing.
Um bongo - is there a reason why you don’t seem to favor the Roger Pen? I’m just wondering what alternative devices might be better to help out in noisy group settings like meetings or conferences. If I had Resound aids, I would be interested in the multimic, but I’m not sure that would surpass the Roger Pen at least based on others’ comments.
Sorry, missed this before, the system is relatively old and requires far more expensive hardware to make it work than comparable systems from the main manufacturers. With the Resound set-up, ALL you need is a mini/multi-mic and you’re sorted; look at the pricing, you have the Roger Pen and the Mlx receiver and sometimes another intermediary device like the Oticon Streamer or two additional MLx shoes plus another Mlx receiver.
As far as I’m concerned it’s just dead weight that Phonak are charging you handsomely for, plus multiple failure/connectivity points on the Mlx devices.
Now if you’re in a school and are using the as a broadcast method to make sure that your kids with hearing difficulties hear the teacher or PA, that’s different. Otherwise there’s scope for FM interference and crosstalk and from other users, if you have multiple transmission sources.
If you like your Analogue/FM signals then great, but I really don’t see how Phonak have the balls to market the Roger pen as new technology - even the crowd in Access To Work in the UK are pushing it - but it doesn’t make sense, unless you see it as bubble up marketing - getting a government organisation so ‘bought into’ an idea that they push it for you.
Phonak claims superior for the Roger. Is this not real, or is it perhaps not significant? Am I hearing you (Um bongo) correctly that the hearing aids with bluetooth (either ) or with an intermediary and a blue tooth mic should provide an adequate solution for an individual?
Sorry, missed this before, the system is relatively old and requires far more expensive hardware to make it work than comparable systems from the main manufacturers. With the Resound set-up, ALL you need is a mini/multi-mic and you’re sorted; look at the pricing, you have the Roger Pen and the Mlx receiver and sometimes another intermediary device like the Oticon Streamer or two additional MLx shoes plus another Mlx receiver.
As far as I’m concerned it’s just dead weight that Phonak are charging you handsomely for, plus multiple failure/connectivity points on the Mlx devices.
Now if you’re in a school and are using the FM as a broadcast method to make sure that your kids with hearing difficulties hear the teacher or PA, that’s different. Otherwise there’s scope for FM interference and crosstalk and from other users, if you have multiple transmission sources.
If you like your Analogue/FM signals then great, but I really don’t see how Phonak have the balls to market the Roger pen as new technology - even the crowd in Access To Work in the UK are pushing it - but it doesn’t make sense, unless you see it as bubble up marketing - getting a government organisation so ‘bought into’ an idea that they push it for you.
Phonak claims superior SNR for the Roger. Is this not real, or is it perhaps not significant? Am I hearing you (Um bongo) correctly that the hearing aids with bluetooth (either BLE) or with an intermediary and a blue tooth mic should provide an adequate solution for an individual?
I fitted one of the users on this site with a pair of Resound Enzo and their Multi-Mic. It’s got hypercardiod and near field functionality. As well as loads of other inputs. The performances of these devices are going to be similar cause they both use an inline array.
The only way to really extend that would be to have a pair if separated mics on a device that operate like a Hammer Head shark does.
The rest is just manufacturer bullshit. Phonak are guilty of pushing old tech here, I’m not entirely sure why when they have good bespoke accessories, BUT you need their neckloop, which is what they might be papering over.
I know this thread hasn’t had activity for a month or so, but I have to disagree a little with Um bongo here on Roger
Roger is not old technology, and it will not work with the MLx receivers. The MLx receivers are for the older systems, the ones that actually worked on FM frequencies (72.025 to 75.975 MHz or 216 to 217 MHz). The Roger stuff (Pen, Clip-On mic, Table mic, etc…) actually uses 2.4GHz. For Roger, you need the newer Roger X receiver which looks very similar to the MLx receiver but operates at 2.4GHz. Or, you can use the Roger MyLink (make sure it says Roger MyLink, or it too will be the older one) with .
I have Resound ENZO 2 9 hearing aids and a MultiMic. I LOVE the MultiMic, but after using it wanted more than one mic so I could hear multiple people in noisy situations. After much searching I found that Roger has that capability so I started playing with it (definitely not old technology). I purchased two Roger X (02) receivers from eBay as well as a Roger Pen and Clip-On mic. I have recently expanded my collection with more pens, more clip-on mics, and a table mic.
Using one Roger Pen:
The Roger Pen functions work about as well as the MultiMic, but the ability to aim it at people speaking is nice. When in conference mode, I really can’t tell a difference between sound quality of the Roger Pen and the MultiMic. Same deal when work in lanyard mode. If you only really want one mic, for meetings or on a person (restaurants, in cars, etc…), the MultiMic is the way to go (if you have Resound ENZO2 or Linx2), mainly due to ease of use and cost.
Using Multiple Roger Mics:
As I briefly mentioned earlier, the Roger system has the ability to link multiple mics in a network. When linked, the mic that picks up talking first will transmit until it not longer picks up speech. At that point it will switch to the next mic that picks up speech. The switching is incredibly fast! I recently used 3 Roger Pens on 3 people in a very noisy restaurant (Rain Forest Café at Disney Springs) and they worked great! I was actually able to carry on a conversation with all 3 people. I also tried the same thing using the Clip-On mic and they worked great!
Next I tried 3 Roger Pens in a large meeting, and that was a little disappointing. I could only hear people near one Pen well. That is when I found I had missed one line buried in the manual that said when the Pens are networked, only one can be in conference mode, the others go into directional (lanyard) mode. Lame! Sounds like an arbitrary firmware thing in order to sell the next item I’ll mention…
Roger Table Mic:
The Roger Table mic is specifically designed for meetings and you can have multiples of them networked together. In large meetings I would always struggle to hear; sometimes catching most things, sometimes not, but I would always leave exhausted! My MultiMic helped some in smaller meetings (15 or so people), but in a larger meeting (30+ people), it only helped with the people it was near. I bought 3 Roger Table Mics off eBay (for what 1 would cost from my ) and paired them all together. I can place those around the room in a large meeting and hear it all clearly now! While I haven’t needed to do it yet, I could also add a Pen or Clip-On mic to the system and have it on the main presenter.
Connecting the Roger X Receivers
When I first started playing with Roger, I plugged the receiver in to the DAI connection on my MultiMic. Using it that way I noticed a very slight delay (but annoying) and had extremely short range. I then ordered DAI boots for my ENZO2s and put the receivers on the . With the receivers on the HAs there was no audio delay and the range was fine. I think since the MultiMic and Roger system both transmitted at 2.4GHz, they were interfering with each other causing the short range. I also imagine the delay was from the time it took for the MultiMic to re-transmit the Roger sounds. Due to all that, I would advice against using a Roger X receiver on another 2.4GHz streamer.
Wow. Great overview of the Roger system. I’m jealous that with my Oticon OPNs, I am still waiting for the ConnectClip to be released to hopefully be able to use the Roger Pen.
While buying Roger on eBay is less expensive, I would suggest that you try it from your Audiologist first. You may find that running it through the ConnectClip introduces a delay and cuts down on the range like it did on my MultiMic. It looks like the ConnectClip also transmits to the using 2.4Gz.
I bought my aids from Buyhear.com and they also sell the Roger Pen for $750. They have a trial (I think 30 days) to test out the pen. That’s my plan when the ConnectClip becomes available.
Wales, UK
NJ
