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In reply to @Zebras

@Zebras said:

His CI won’t be able to to stream without a Roger receiver as it won’t be able to get the firmware update to allow Roger without a receiver.

I thought his already had a receiver. The marvel would have its own receiver for the hearing aid ear. It’s not clear to me, though, whether you need to pay extra to unlock the built-in roger receiver in the marvel, as apparently there will be an orderable device to turn it on.

@Neville said:

My understanding is one at a time, and if you wanted it paired to a different bluetooth device you’d have to forget the first one and re-pair.

I imagine it depends where the device is in a master/slave chain. Here is the statement from my ReSound Phone Clip+ manual. The device acts as an intermediary between my phone and my ReSound Quattro ’s.

“You can pair up to 8 Bluetooth devices with the Phone Clip+, but
only 2 Bluetooth devices can be connected/active at a time.”

With my Galaxy Note 8, I’ve found after some experimentation that I can have it paired with both my Samsung Gear S3 Frontier smartwatch in phone mode (so I’ll see the caller on my phone watch face) and my Phone Clip+ in media streaming mode, so I can listen to podcasts on that. And my ReSound HA’s are connected to both my phone for simple volume/program/settings control and to the Phone Clip+, both by pairing as if I turn off BT on my phone, both connections disappear in the ReSound Smart 3D app on my phone and I get a warning message that I need to turn BT back on. So multiple pairings are possible, depending on the device, and at least on my Android Galaxy Note 8, I can have up to TWO active pairing at any one time, and it might seem like my phone is actually supporting THREE, one to Gear S3 watch, one to Phone Clip+, and one to HA’s directly (although maybe when Phone Clip+ is on and connected, I can’t rule out that the BT connection for phone to HA’s goes through that). Maybe some IT guy amongst us knows better…

In reply to @jim_lewis

@jim_lewis said:

I imagine it depends where the device is in a master/slave chain. Here is the statement from my ReSound Phone Clip+ manual. The device acts as an intermediary between my phone and my ReSound Quattro HA’s.

“You can pair up to 8 Bluetooth devices with the Phone Clip+, but
only 2 Bluetooth devices can be connected/active at a time.”

I Used the Phone Clip+ with my Forte 8 (LINX 3D) I had it paired to Android phone, chromebook laptop, transmitter from TV, home desktop computer. I never had to unpair, just turn off all but two devices to make sure it transmitted from the correct two devices.

I did use it for music from the laptop and if a phone call came in via Android phone, I could hear phone call and music at the same time (though I stopped music to concentrate on phone call).

I’ve since switch to MFI phone and returned Phone Clip+.

When I wore Audeo B Directs in my car, my phone at the time (Galaxy S7) had connections to both the phone-designated hearing aid and the car head unit. I wanted incoming calls to be routed to the car. It did work out that way, apparently because the connection to the car was the most recent. But I never found any documentation saying this is how it works. Furthermore, if the hearing aid had dropped and reestablished its connection while I was driving, then calls might have been routed to it instead.

In reply to @Don

@Don said:

If it only connects to one phone at a time, that is a huge drawback. If it doesn’t work with the Com Pilot 2, and only connects to one device at a time, I’m out. It is not a “Marvel” for me.

Several of the above posts explain what I was wondering after your post. I really stumbled on your post but I do little to no bluetooth-ing so I couldn’t be the one to talk.
I hope the posts have cleared this concern up for you.

Yup, you can set up manual programs. They’ve changed the single button on the hearing aid into a toggle, too, which allows for more options for on-ear switching.

Not off the top of my head, but lots. Depends on what tech level you go with. I have only ever felt cramped by the manual slots at the 30 level. What specific manual programs are you hoping for?

No specific number. Dedicated music program is the most important. Wed I’ll be trialing the Evoke 440 to see how that works out. If not I will try the Marvel which, according to my , is tinney in comparison but better in her opinion based on customer satisfaction, at speech. With my loss of word recognition on the left side over the last year–from 72% down to 44%–she believes the Marvel might be better for me.

Anyway I’m just doing a feature comparison between the two.

Edited

Her feedback is based on number adjustments required to reach a happy level; Difficulties reported in hearing in challenging environments; Returns for readjustments etc. Phonak gets there quicker up front with less fooling around after.

She admittedly does not fit many Widex and never an Evoke. Very few Starkey but lots of Signia and Oticon.

I mean, any hearing aid will be tinny if you program it to have a stronger emphasis on the higher frequencies.

I like the Evoke. Though I do find that it is less ABLE to provide stable gain at high frequencies. I like the idea behind the data mining that they are doing, although that seems like less of a feature for current users and more of a promise for the future. As I’ve said elsewhere, hearing aids are starting to market their use of to develop the automatic switching programs, but they’ve been using it for a while. Widex’s idea of pulling environmental preference data directly from their users seems like it will give them some powerful data mining options for creating better hearing aids in the future.

Curious what you mean being less able to provide stable gain at high frequencies? Emphasis on “stable” as in it’s variable, or more emphasis on “gain” implying high frequency gain falls off quickly? Sorry to be picky, but the statement piqued my curiosity.

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