Going from Oticon OPNS1 to More1 aids

I paid about 1/3 less if by buying from Hearing Revolution.

Just trying to get people to understand that wearing hearing aids, is a process, of acceptance, patience, work, and dedicating yourself the the fact that you have to work at it. And as most of us know it isn’t like glasses you cannot just put them on and forget them until your next pair.

@SpudGunner said:

If someone didn’t have the coin for More1s, would you recommend that they purchase Opn S1s, if they wanted to buy into that great, open, OticonSound?

Hey Jim, I started my OPN S1 journey around the same time as Chuck did.
The only problem I have is the TITF phenomenon (better known as talking in the fan).
It only occurs with specific tones both musically, and vocally.
My VA audi has done somersaults trying to correct it, and Oticon admits it’s a known bug in the Velox S chip, but I guess so few people have encountered it, they never updated the software.
The good news is, I’ll be getting the More 1’s as replacements on August 20th!

@SpudGunner said:

“That great Gretsch Sound”

Man, I doubt we’ll ever capture that again.

@flashb1024 said:

Man, I doubt we’ll ever capture that again

I dunno, flash … I can still hear it when I play mine!

@cvkemp Like you always say, Chuck, no two of us have the same hearing.
I don’t really have issues with clarity, but that fluttering when certain people speak, or a flute, or piano hit a specific note is really annoying to me.

@flashb1024 said:

a specific note

Any idea what that note/frequency is? You may be experiencing what is known by acoustics engineers as “zamfirulation”. You might not like the side effects if you listen to it for too long!

@flashb1024 said:

Hey Jim, I started my OPN S1 journey around the same time as Chuck did.
The only problem I have is the TITF phenomenon (better known as talking in the fan).
It only occurs with specific tones both musically, and vocally.
My VA audi has done somersaults trying to correct it, and Oticon admits it’s a known bug in the Velox S chip, but I guess so few people have encountered it, they never updated the software.
The good news is, I’ll be getting the More 1’s as replacements on August 20th!

It’ll be very interesting to see if you still see the issue in the More or not.

My hypothesis about this issue is that it’s due to the new feedback prevention technology OpenSound Optimizer introduced in the OPN S, which is also carried over to the More.

They insert STMs (Spectro-Temporal Modulations) to disrupt any positive loop gain detected and break a potential feedback build up before it occurs. STMs can at times be audible to the listener. Maybe that’s what you’re hearing at times. If that’s the case, it’s really not a bug but an undesirable side-effect of that feature, so that’s why they never have a fix in for it. It’s basically the lesser of the 2 evils (the main evil being the feedback). Below is a screenshot that shows the STMs inserted in the second figure.

@Volusiano said:

It’ll be very interesting to see if you still see the issue in the More or not.

According to Oticon, that problem is resolved with the Polaris chip.
We’ll soon find out!
Your hypothesis is right on point, too. Oticon admitted as much.
So, that’s what we in the tech field refer to as a “Hidden Feature”.

@Volusiano said:

It’ll be very interesting to see if you still see the issue in the More or not.

@flashb1024 said:

According to Oticon, that problem is resolved with the Polaris chip.
We’ll soon find out!
Your hypothesis is right on point, too. Oticon admitted as much.
So, that’s what we in the tech field refer to as a “Hidden Feature”.

Are you saying that the problem existed in the More series but that Oticon has acknowledged the problem and has corrected it in any More hearing aids manufactured after a certain date?

@flashb1024 said:

According to Oticon, that problem is resolved with the Polaris chip.

@billgem: This wording indicates to me that the advent of the Polaris chip cured the problem. Period. No holdover or staged remedy is implied.

[I realize your question was directed to @Volusiano, however I don’t, myself, see any need for disambiguation.]

@billgem said:

Are you saying that the problem existed in the More series but that Oticon has acknowledged the problem and has corrected it in any More hearing aids manufactured after a certain date?

The problem was in the feedback management system of the Velox S chip used in OPN S.
The More’s Polaris chip is redesigned, and that problem was corrected upon initial release.

Understood.

Bill

Thanks @flashb1024 Flash!

Spud … 🥸

Something that has come to me about hearing loss and wearing hearing aids, now this is I know very subjective to my experience. For me to accept my hearing loss, and to truly accept hearing aids, I had to First forget about my past hearing experiences and folks that is extremely hard. As I was told when my grandparents and parents were late in their lives was this, and I am sure you have been told this too.
“Remember your past history with fond memories but live in the here and now”. This has been something that has been extremely difficult for me to do as I loved my past, and I haven’t been as fond of my present life. But as I slowly release myself from my past history and live my in the present world I am enjoying myself so much more. I am accepting my hearing loss, and realizing that with properly fitted hearing aids, life isn’t that bad after all.

Now if this virus would go away then life would be great.