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@sanjin.antulov said:

And last question? Is there any benefit of rechargeable ones aside from not need fiddle with changing batteries?

I have Paradise aids with replaceable batteries (P-9013T) and a Cros (P-13). I trialed the rechargeable and hated them. The more you stream, the less time you get from them. In my case, the Cros is using the bluetooth all the time, giving me just 12 hours of battery life per charge for the rechargeable. So if you need to be streaming to your phone a lot for your job, they might not last a whole day.

In reply to @Raudrive

Yeah, having below 18h and that is when new. Sure 2-3 years down the line it will be 20-30% lower because degradation…
Also i streaming a lot… I think recargeable is not for me. Also there is size/thicknes problem (life).

Oh. Well, I will probably wait a little to see if new line is released.
If I give 5k € for set of (that is some around 7-8 avarage monthly income in our country) I want newest technology.
If I want to go for older ones I can probably get cheap on eBay or something… Setting up is not problem for me, i did set up mine after five fiting sessions… Paradise use Noah wirelles, it’s available on eBay…

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@Baltazard said:

you are sure it is the 675 removable batteries one?

These are my Phonak Nadia Paradise P90 UP 675 Purchased September 2021 (I open the battery compartment to prove they are not rechargeable.
They DO have tap control, and as I said in my earlier post it is functional… I can and do answer and end phone calls without pulling my phone out of my pocket.

I do believe (and according to all paperwork) they don’t have motion sensor hearing.

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@Baltazard said:

But, if you are correct, how does one go about activating tap control on Naida Paradise P90 UP 675?

That I don’t know yet. I am still waiting for my NoahLink to arrive, so I haven’t setup Target yet on my laptop. My Audiologist told me it was on, and we played around with it in her office to show me how it worked. I don’t remember seeing the setting page for it.

How does it function (just tested it again it with a college in my office)? You answer your call by taping the top button (Volume/Program switch).
So it may however be listed under the button control menu as an addition function.

The argument still could be in the definition of Tap Control, between what is described in the brochure and how it actually functions, as it might be more so defined as a button function.

@BrBarry Could you do this on your :

If Yes, that means your HA do have tap control, and that’s great, then I need to check target on how to do it.

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@BrBarry said:

You answer your call by taping the top button (Volume/Program switch).

This makes it sound like you have to physically depress the button on the hearing aid down to answer/end calls, which is separate from the “Tap Function” the hearing aids have on the rechargeables, where you can just double tap your ear (you wouldn’t need to directly touch the aid, in theory). I think this may be the discrepancy and clarity other posters on this thread are looking for.

Or I can ask another way: can you play and pause streaming music from your hearing aid? As far as I know, the rocker switch on the aids can’t control this, so if you have the tap function, you can. Otherwise you have to control from your phone.

In reply to @BrBarry

l have the Naida Paradise P70 UP aids that use the 675 battery. Those with the 675 battery does not have tap control because those batteries doesn’t supply enough voltage for the tap control function to work. It is why it’s only available on the newer rechargeable aids.

In reply to @sanjin.antulov

I have the Unitron Blu P70RT, and I have used the Hearing Aids for 16 hours a day and listening to music and YouTube for 10 to 11 hours of the day and still had some power left. And if you have a charger with you even a 1/2 hr charge should get you to over 18 hours with a lot of YouTube and music through the day. The Unitron Blu is the same as the Phonak Paradise.

In reply to @Raudrive

I have a P90-R/-R and the battery on the P90-R drops about10% per hour. The CROS is better in battery usage. When the battery dies, I need to switch to my previous aids. I am trading the -R’s in for -13’s next week.

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Just to say:

  1. That I agree 100% with @richardsondc that being able to leave my phone on the table and walk around while listening and talking through my P90Rs is AWESOME.
  2. I had replaceable battery for years and I’d never go back to them - being never sure whether the batteries were going to give out on me at an event where I couldn’t replace them meant that before going, I had to put in fresh batteries. Now, I simply give them a short pre-event boost in the charger

Even if they do work when new capacity will go down.
Like phones, vapes and all other li ions battery.
Don’t like that.

When i was taken to hospital last year because covid I spent 2 weeks in ICU. I had pack of 6 battery with me. So no hassle. Pair of battery is 6 day of hearing. And even if i didn’t, I could send family to supermarket to buy a pack and send me. It would be problem with external chargers.

Also I believe talking on phone drain a little more than streaming because aids have to transmit voice to phone. Imagine a late night romantic evening in restaurant after day of work and i have to wait 30 min to be able to hear in middle of dinning… :grin:

Don’t want to think about battery every day…

@sanjin.antulov said:

Don’t want to think about battery every day…

That’s exactly why I’m sold on rechargeables :wink:

Sorry to hear about your battle with COVID-19 - I hope you’re now fully recovered. I think you would’ve found rechargeables a boon in hospital. Just pop your in the charger/drier each night. No need to possibly impose on family to get you batteries.

And it’s really no hassle to give the rechargeables a short pre-event boost before your romantic evening . How can you be sure your batteries won’t give up just as your partner’s sharing sweet secrets with you?

What I would like about rechargeables is that the manufacturers put the batteries in for 2 days of use. Why. so because if you need to go somewhere at night, some urgent obligation or you have to watch out for something at night?
Signia has started to put higher capacity batteries on some of its versions of hearing aids. By the way, I like rechargeable ones, it doesn’t matter if the hearing aid is a bit bigger because of that.

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@sanjin.antulov said:

When i was taken to hospital last year because covid I spent 2 weeks in ICU. I had pack of 6 battery with me. So no hassle. Pair of battery is 6 day of hearing.

I totally agree with you! I got new rechargeable last fall but I returned them for ones with removable batteries.

There are all sorts of emergency situations were rechargeables could be a problem. Hospitalizations. Natural disasters. There are extra batteries in my purse, so if I’m able to grab it, I am set for being able to hear. And they are readily available at stores if you need more. Since batteries give you a tone hours before they die, it’s possible to switch to new ones before a night out.

My husband died last year and we made many nighttime visits to the ER. ER visits take hours! As his advocate I needed to hear and understand what was happening. Do you think I could say, “oops! My hearing aids rechargeable batteries just died. I have to go home and charge them for little while. Don’t do anything till I get back.”? But I could, and did, spend a minute changing batteries.

Until rechargeable HA have a longer charge, I think they are not really practical.

In reply to @KiwiJohn

@KiwiJohn said:

That’s exactly why I’m sold on rechargeables :wink:

Sorry to hear about your battle with COVID-19 - I hope you’re now fully recovered. I think you would’ve found rechargeables a boon in hospital. Just pop your HAs in the charger/drier each night. No need to possibly impose on family to get you batteries.

And it’s really no hassle to give the rechargeables a short pre-event boost before your romantic evening . How can you be sure your batteries won’t give up just as your partner’s sharing sweet secrets with you?

Well it was not easy but recovered completly. Thanks.
Well, if you want to be sure, you can allways change it preemptive. It gave me 6 day battery life from little 312 one… But you can change it in 10 seconds, and also have at least 10 minute warning.

But i understand if somebody is statified with recargeable. I dont have such predictible situations in life…

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In reply to @db4art

Well, my Paradise Naida UP ’s, last around 11 to 12 days with a moderate amount of streaming, usually 2 or 3 hours per day, granted they use the 675 batteries, but I wouldn’t thank you for rechargeable aids, I have used them, and I hated them…. Too much anxiety associated with their state of charge, cutting out in adverse cold conditions, not to mention their life recharge cycles, and depreciation of their ability to take a full charge as the batteries degrade ….I am all for conservation, I have owned a electric car in the past, BMW i3, I have 4KW of solar panels on my roof, and an Air Source Heat Pump, but when it comes to my hearing, I like to have the best, or the best I can afford, and rechargeable aids, just don’t cut it for my level of loss…… But, each to their own…… Cheers Kev :wink:

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@KiwiJohn said:

Sorry to hear about your battle with COVID-19 - I hope you’re now fully recovered. I think you would’ve found rechargeables a boon in hospital. Just pop your HAs in the charger/drier each night. No need to possibly impose on family to get you batteries.

And it’s really no hassle to give the rechargeables a short pre-event boost before your romantic evening . How can you be sure your batteries won’t give up just as your partner’s sharing sweet secrets with you?

Seems like my family could bring me a pack or two of batteries from my at-home supply, as easily as they could bring my charger. And having a possibly expensive and hard-to-replace charger sitting around a hospital room or ICU doesn’t sound all that desirable. And I imagine that a nurse is more likely to know how to change a battery for me, than to know how to deal with a charger.

If a particular evening is that important to me, I can always pop in 50 cents’ worth of fresh disposable batteries.

My situation and decision making had different factors. I’m stationed overseas and travel frequently, the thought of having to hunt down a local source for batteries didn’t sound like much fun. Having rechargable units removed that problem. They can last all day for me. Heck, my cellphone barely lasts a day and needs to be recharged so not much different. USB ports are everywhere now. In cars, at bars, etc. I know if I’m worried I can bring along the charger case and a battery pack and charge the aids about 10 times off a single battery pack charge. And throwing them on the charger while I’m in the shower or doing something else where I dont need them for 30 minutes boosts the charge by a few hours. Plenty to cover my needs.

Seems like rechargable are the future. If you follow the Dr Cliff videos, he says now 90% of all units he sells are rechargable… Hopefully the manufacturers will figure out how to increase battery and features!

I tried the P90-R/-R. The devices used about 10% battery per hour with the P90 being the heaviest user. Didn’t last a whole day for me. I had to have my old aids on standby for the last hour or two of the day. Traded them in for P90-13/CROS-13 last weeks. So far 3 days on P90 and four days on the CROS-13 with the Power batteries that my audiologist gave me. I will try with the Ray 'O Vac which gave me a longer life with the Audeo B. This is with moderate streaming.

If the made the -R’s a little bit larger with a bigger battery, I would have kept them. I really need about 20 hours per charge.

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