Different fitting formulas for Widex Moment 440

@tenkan Thanks for your suggestion, but at present anyway, I will decline as I am not convinced I have the ability to do this.

I have a set of Moment 330 HAs, and mild to moderate hearing loss (Apologies, I have not uploaded my audiogram).
When my audiologist programmed my HAs she did not follow the stanard Widex procedure as she said it often did not yield the best results for her clients. She has since sold her business to a large firm who run a chain of audiology clinics so I can’t contact her to find out what formula she used, sorry.
I thought it might be useful to you to know that at times the standard Widex fitting procedure does not yield the best results for a user.

To reply to @tinkyp .
I was finding that some loud noises, like removing a plate from a stack of plates or closing a cupboard door, were just too loud.
I had already had the hearing level reduced from my theoretical maximum by 1 click, and we had reduced the MPO which should have truncated very loud noises - with the emphasis on should.
I had the Comfort program installed and found it was not the complete answer, although it might be my answer for restaurants? It seemed to concentrate on the louder noises and reduce the rest, but did not reduce the top end of the louder noises.
This was using the standard Widex program, and their sensogram.

I visited my audiologist this morning and we re-programmed the HA’s with the NAL/NAL 2 profile instead, again verified with their sensogram. This on the Widex software program.
It is early days yet but this may have solved my problems.
The MPO and the potential maximum volume have not been reduced (they were reset whenever we changed the program profile)
Removing a plate from a stack of plates still sounds loud, but no longer sounds as if you had dropped the whole stack from ceiling height. And voices in a room without soft furnishings no longer provoke the urge to turn the volume down.

In short, if anybody else is suffering from my original complaint, I think that reprogramming it to NAL/NAL2 standards is worth a try. Part of the reason for wanting to try this was due to finding out that the NHS (National Health Service in UK) use the NAL/NAL2 standard and I didn’t have the “overload” problem with my NHS aids

I am glad you are making progress & I found that plate noises were loud with domes but not with customs. We all have a different start point and it can be easier to follow through from settings you are familiar with. Keep going until you are happy although it can take time to get used to new sounds & technology. Once I had the set up best for me-customs with a vent & standard Widex set up it was just right. It can be difficult to keep going back to a fitter but it’s nothing personal-sometimes if it gets complicated a fresh set up and dispenser guidance from the manufacturer can be advisable to ensure all is as it should be for best performance.

@tenkan said:

only you’ll know which one you’ll like over any other, it’s not really possible to know any other way.

older thread Tenkan, but a question for you. Is this as simple as going into Compass, changing the fitting formula, and exiting/saving? OR, would we have to re do sensogram (in situ hearing thresholds) and feedback tests etc, all other things (domes etc) being the same.

You should “recalculate” if you change the fitting formula, feedback and sensogram, as there can be a difference even if you may not notice.

Ok, thanks, so for clarity - IF I re-do the formula, I should also THEN re do the in-situ, and the feedback test. In a sense it’s a brand new fitting…correct?

You can do a “new fitting” if you want, actually don’t have to do in-situ, sensogram (your audiogram can stay) with changes to the acoustics or formula you need
to do feedback test.
You can make up a couple of different clients with different formula if you wanted, this way you can experiment with fine tuning between them.

Yes you can do that, by sessions or just start a new client, sessions can get confusing so just be sure you take a lot of notes about what changes you’ve done.

Shouldn’t the software keep each time entered into the program a record that can be gone back to if needed?

@tenkan said:

Yes you can do that, by sessions or just start a new client, sessions can get confusing so just be sure you take a lot of notes about what changes you’ve done.

I think if I do new session, there’s no in-situ in place like there is opening an existing session, at least in widex. I’d have to re-do the in-situ, and my hatred/anxiety of hearing tests would make that tough. Although I could write down (or screen shot) what the in-situ gain at all 15 frequencies are now, and just re-enter them…hmmm. And yes, i can always go back, but agreed - no one should do more than a few tweaks per session, or one gets lost in what changed and what’s “better.”

@Raudrive

Yes it does, but it just doesn’t say or show any changes you’ve made, you do get an option to take notes, but if you make lots of changes you’d need to go old school pen and paper, I just find it easier to have a different client to experiment with.