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I’m a beginner with Genie 2 and am trying to learn how to create alternative programs using my audi’s program and my as a basis, but making sure that I save the audi’s program and my audiogram without any changes.

I’ll soon receive new More 1s, which will already have my audiogram and my audi’s fitting program installed. I’m hoping to use the audi’s program as a basis for fine tuning adjustments.

What is the simplest way using Genie 2 to accomplish what I’ve described? Do I create a file for a different “new client” for each trial program I make? Is there a way to import into each new client’s program my audi’s settings, his own program, and my audiogram, and then make changes? Can I create more than one alternative trial program, and then load these one at a time to my so I can compare the results while using them?

I’m sure the way I’ve expressed these questions reflects a beginner’s ignorance, but I hope some of this makes sense!

Many thanks for advice to get me started!

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@Owl1 said:

I’m hoping to use the audi’s program as a basis for DIY fine tuning adjustments

Good idea, always good as a baseline.

@Owl1 said:

Do I create a file for a different “new client” for each trial program I make?

Yes that’s one way of doing it, you can add a new client for you to experiment with,and have one with your original audiologist fitting. You can always go back to this whenever you want to.

@Owl1 said:

Is there a way to import into each new client’s program my audi’s setting

Yes, you can have as many clients you wish with the original audiologist fitting, you start a client and connect and then click save to session and .

But I think you really need to do a few “simulation mode” fittings to get familiar with how Genie2 software works, it’s really simple and the workflow is easy to understand.

@Owl1 said:

Can I create more than one alternative trial program, and then load these one at a time to my HAs so I can compare the results while using them?

Yes and no, it’s not how you do things, makes no sense to just do one “program” at a time, you do the whole shebang as a session.

@Owl1 said:

I’m sure the way I’ve expressed these questions reflects a beginner’s ignorance, but I hope some of this makes sense!

Yes your correct, I’m a little confused with some of the way you’ve worded some things, but one golden rule is not to overthink everything, remember Genie2 has a built in helper that you can find at the top of the page, click on that and it opens up a webpage with a ton of information, everything is there to find.

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Your audi doesn’t create a program and then store the program in your hearing aids.

Your audi creates various settings to store inside your hearing aids. At the End Fitting step the settings are stored in your hearing aids (and hopefully, if you want to avoid losing the settings they are also stored in a fitting session in the database.

TIP: When viewing a client you may need to click an expansion arrow> in order to change the condensed view into an expanded view showing all client sessions. TIP2: after expanding to see all the sessions, click a session and it will show you the session comments where you can include helpful session comments such as “Original Settings”

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In reply to @tenkan

tenkan - Many thanks for your step-by-step reply, very helpful – and thanks for bearing with me as I struggle to express things coherently! Yes, I’ll do what you suggest, first become more familiar with Genie2 and make use of the Help on Genie2 webpage.

The sentence I didn’t understand in your reply was “Yes, you can have as many clients you wish with the original audiologist fitting, you start a client and connect and then click save to session and .”

Does this mean that to save the original audi’s fitting, I need to create a new client, connect to the HAs, and then, before I make any changes, immediately save both to that new session and the HAs? – If I understand this (and maybe I don’t), then this will save the original audi’s fitting under that new session/client name. If so, then for my records I’d name this something like “Original Fitting.”

Once I do this, so that I don’t overwrite the Original Fitting with any of my own changes, would I then start a different new client? Does it make sense to ask if I can then “import” the Original Fitting settings into that new client for me then to build on?

In reply to @pvc

Thank you, pvc, for your helpful reply and especially for the two tips in the expanded view. With my background in computer programming (long ago), it was helpful to learn that I should be referring to “settings” and not “programs.” I didn’t know (among much else!) that I can include comments relating to each sessioin, which will be useful.

Again, thanks!

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@Owl1 said:

Does this mean that to save the original audi’s fitting, I need to create a new client, connect to the HAs, and then, before I make any changes, immediately save both to that new session and the HAs?

Yes that’s it.

@Owl1 said:

Once I do this, so that I don’t overwrite the Original Fitting with any of my own changes, would I then start a different new client?

Yes I’d do that, some other’s have a different way they like to do this.

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@Owl1 said:

I can include comments relating to each session

Yep, so guess what your session comment should be on your very first session? It should be “Original Settings” because the task at hand is to read the settings from your hearing aids, make no changes, and save the settings into the first session that will be forever tagged as "Original Settings".

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Today (1/15/2023) I saved my hearing aid settings to client Joe Blow;

At the beginning;

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At END FITTING;

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Next time you connect;

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Saving to a separate client name is a bonehead idea that shows you don’t understand the purpose of your database sessions. :crazy_face:

Image if your audiologist did this? He might have a database that looks like this;

  • John Smith’s little brother
  • John Smith
  • Joe Jones’s Little brother
  • Joe Jones

Bonehead? but yeah seperate clients is the way for most, we’re not an audiologist clinic, were , this shows you dont understand DIY, you want to do it the bonehead way, good for you.

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Don’t forget to tie a string around your finger as a reminder for what the heck that extra client name was?

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btw> Sessions are never overwritten so what was saved into your first session will always be sitting there in your first session! What better place could you possibly invent to save your original settings?

tenkan and pvc - Really helpful and clear! Makes much more sense to me now. Thank you for taking the time to explain in detail like this.

When I make multiple clients, I put the name as what the session is as it’s easier and quicker to see.

I’m only programming my own Aids so I don’t need to put my name as I know it’s me.

No one is saying don’t ever use multiple client names!!. If a DIYer wants to go off on a tangent and experiment with something new (for example; in-situ) then it makes perfect sense to add a completely new client (Joe Insitu) for this branch of testing. I do this myself.

I am only saying there is no better place than (session #1 with a comment=“Original Settings”) for storing your original settings.

OTOH; if you don’t want to understand the way sessions work (with the expansion arrow and session comments), then you could not use any sessions at all. Instead, you could store each and every fitting into a different client, for example (Joe One, Joe Two, Joe Three).

But don’t tell me that it’s a good idea to recommend this method to new DIYers.

Oh, great! Now I have two of them. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

I’m sorry that you don’t understand. I am guessing that you don’t want to understand because it’s not really complicated as you claim.

  1. Teaching newbies to ignore database sessions is a dumb idea. Sorry, I won’t stand for it.
  2. Teaching newbies how to use >expansion arrows and session comments so that they can learn to use sessions correctly is a better idea.

To be continued… I dunno? Maybe?

You have misunderstand my (won’t stand for it) comment. Newbies can do whatever they want. It’s not my job to police them. My job, (if I choose to accept it :wink:) is to prevent our anserBots from giving bad advice to newbies.

Suggestion: Youse guys should stop making up stories about what my motives are. Policing newbies? Wow, that’s pretty far fetched. Do you get it yet? I’m not policing newbies. I am policing our anserBots.

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