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@Neilk said:

And mine are on order, can’t wait to get them … hopefully in a week as they are brand new and tight to get right now.

Pure 700’s are not for me… They are going back! Looking forward to your YES opinion. Please let them be good!!!

@Confused said:

Pure 700’s are not for me… They are going back! Looking forward to your YES opinion. Please let them be good!!!

LOL … I am praying for the same … LET THEM BE GOOD!!!
I am really hoping that they will be available for me by this coming Friday. My audi did say that as they are brand new, there will be some delay in shipping after ordering, trying to get them out to satisfy the demand. I guess Phonak must have lots of fans if that is the case. My previous Phonak Extras were very good when I got them, but my hearing and comprehension got worse over the 3 years I had them. But I feel like both my previous Siemens Music (sp?) and Phonak Extra’s were basically let’s go with lower cost rather than excellent devices. My wife’s medical insurance has increased tenfold since then, and I’m ready to get the most for my money. I’m hoping these are the answer

So for the last few people who posted and said they were going to order the Audeo Yes ’s, did you guys get them? Here we are almost a year later and I’m wondering how you like them so far. I’m planning on ordering Siemens Pure 700 with Bluetooth TEK but man you guys are all scaring me! lol I’m getting the Siemens Pure 700 with TEK and everything for about $3100 but now I’m not sure if I should just pay the $4500 price tag and get the new Audeo Smart IX’s today. I just didn’t wanna deal with an ugly looking i-Com around my neck and thought the Pure 700 would be just as good as the new Smarts but I guess with all this feedback commotion going on, I’m starting to think twice.

Edited

Aaah . . . where do I begin. Would help to know a bit about you and what you’re looking to get out of the aid but I’m going to through you to another direction.

Yes . . . I’ve tested the Pure 700 with the Tek and the Oticon Dual Connect with the Streamer; extensively. I only tried the Yes and iCom for a day. Basically these are all top-of-the-line hearing aids and perform well; this is where it gets sticky because everyones hearing loss is different and the sounds you hear or don’t hear plus the skill of your Audi plays a lot into the end result.

I was not in love with the Siemens sound quality. (And by the specs and company reputation this was my favorite; surprise, surprise.) I thought is was tinny and produced lots of feedback. I also felt the Tek had all sort of issues; it didn’t feel like a finished product to me althought the feature set was rich, if it did what is was suppose to do it would have been great. The device is flawed. Another surprise was the rechargeable battery; I thought this was a no brainer and I was going to want this. No! As it turned out, having this extra device or charging unit and needing to charge the batteries every day turned out to be a real hassle. It is way easier to just change the batteries once every 6-7 days; that’s it. (I really didn’t see that one coming.)

The Yes had a really nice sound quality to it but I wasn’t a fan of the iCom. To gain the same functionality as the Tek and Streamer you needed 2 devices the iCom and this other one (forgot the name) to control the programs and volume. Really need both and its a pain in the neck, needed to devices to charge, etc.

To the rescue came the Oticom and Streamer. The aid is great (maybe a touch under the Yes but I really can’t be sure) and the Streamer is a simple easy device and works well. I stream from my MP3 player, my computer, and it handles bluetooth from my computer and cell phone. I like the sound of the aid and the style of the aid and Streamer work for me; it’s cool. I really like the cell phone connectivity; if I gotta where this thing at least I get one benefit. While everyone else needs to put on a bluetooth headset, my is already in place. Just flick on the streamer.

That being said let me warm you it does have some quirks but it’s useable (the Tek was not; the iCom was clunky.) Switching between my laptop bluetooth and cell phone is a process and sometimes changes or going from call to call takes a bit of patience. You need to wait for the call to end bluetooth connection to reset, new call to sync, and then start. Some other things as you get into it as well but it works.

Not sure what else I can say but if you have specific questions your curious about . . . fire away!

@islanderbaw said:

Aaah . . . where do I begin. Would help to know a bit about you and what you’re looking to get out of the aid but I’m going to through you to another direction.

Yes . . . I’ve tested the Pure 700 with the Tek and the Oticon Dual Connect with the Streamer; extensively. I only tried the Yes and iCom for a day. Basically these are all top-of-the-line hearing aids and perform well; this is where it gets sticky because everyones hearing loss is different and the sounds you hear or don’t hear plus the skill of your Audi plays a lot into the end result.

I was not in love with the Siemens sound quality. (And by the specs and company reputation this was my favorite; surprise, surprise.) I thought is was tinny and produced lots of feedback. I also felt the Tek had all sort of issues; it didn’t feel like a finished product to me althought the feature set was rich, if it did what is was suppose to do it would have been great. The device is flawed. Another surprise was the rechargeable battery; I thought this was a no brainer and I was going to want this. No! As it turned out, having this extra device or charging unit and needing to charge the batteries every day turned out to be a real hassle. It is way easier to just change the batteries once every 6-7 days; that’s it. (I really didn’t see that one coming.)

The Yes had a really nice sound quality to it but I wasn’t a fan of the iCom. To gain the same functionality as the Tek and Streamer you needed 2 devices the iCom and this other one (forgot the name) to control the programs and volume. Really need both and its a pain in the neck, needed to devices to charge, etc.

To the rescue came the Oticom and Streamer. The aid is great (maybe a touch under the Yes but I really can’t be sure) and the Streamer is a simple easy device and works well. I stream from my MP3 player, my computer, and it handles bluetooth from my computer and cell phone. I like the sound of the aid and the style of the aid and Streamer work for me; it’s cool. I really like the cell phone connectivity; if I gotta where this thing at least I get one benefit. While everyone else needs to put on a bluetooth headset, my is already in place. Just flick on the streamer.

That being said let me warm you it does have some quirks but it’s useable (the Tek was not; the iCom was clunky.) Switching between my laptop bluetooth and cell phone is a process and sometimes changes or going from call to call takes a bit of patience. You need to wait for the call to end bluetooth connection to reset, new call to sync, and then start. Some other things as you get into it as well but it works.

Not sure what else I can say but if you have specific questions your curious about . . . fire away!

WOW THANK YOU! You have really helped me out here and made me feel soo much better. Everything you just said about the Siemens Pure 700 and the TEK was kinda what I was thinking. Based on everyone’s reviews, it’s a great product with a feature rich list but it doesn’t deliver and has many flaws. If almost everyone on the forum is saying the same thing about the Pure 700 and TEK, then why would my experience be any different. I’m assuming this is why I’m finding the entire kit for extrememly cheap competitive prices, maybe Siemens is wanting to push out all of their remaining stock and with the Audiologist convention coming up soon in San Diego this year, I think some new technology is on the way from Siemens.

I was going to pay around $3100 for an entire kit Siemens Pure 700 with TEK and all but maybe I’m better off on holding for a little bit longer. If the Audi I was going to buy them from did not have a restocking fee of $170 I would have given them a try. Hmmm…I was really excited just a week ago and thought I would be saving lots of money and my wife was soo proud of me to have found such a great deal but now I’m thinking maybe I will have to come up with that 5 Grand to get something that delivers.

I guess I will go ahead and try the Phonak Audeo Smart IX’s and as for the iCom, I’m going to try and do without them for a few weeks. The only thing I would have needed bluetooth for is listening to MP3’s on my Nokia N900 phone and making and receiving calls.

As for receiving calls, can’t I just place the phone over one of the hearing aids and talk on it normal without using bluetooth? Or would this create a bunch of feedback? Well I have 60 days to try those out. The Audiologist I was going to buy my Siemens from was another Audi in a different state where I would only get 30 days to try those out. I might just stick with my local audi and get the Smarts.

Not too sure about the Oticon line as I have never did any research on those yet.

Again thank you soooo much for your detailed response!

In reply to @ABerri

@ABerri said:

So for the last few people who posted and said they were going to order the Audeo Yes HA’s, did you guys get them? Here we are almost a year later and I’m wondering how you like them so far. I’m planning on ordering Siemens Pure 700 with Bluetooth TEK but man you guys are all scaring me! lol I’m getting the Siemens Pure 700 with TEK and everything for about $3100 but now I’m not sure if I should just pay the $4500 price tag and get the new Audeo Smart IX’s today. I just didn’t wanna deal with an ugly looking i-Com around my neck and thought the Pure 700 would be just as good as the new Smarts but I guess with all this feedback commotion going on, I’m starting to think twice.

Almost a year later and I absolutely LOVE my YES IX’s. The sound quality is so much better to me than the Siemens was. And I’ve seen the comments about the 2 devices verses just 1 … well, the 2 devices work better, much better, in my opinion than the Tek did for me. The iCom has better sound quality, is smaller, doesn’t swing as much as the Tek, nor weigh nearly as much when hanging on your neck. In fact, I forget it’s even there until a call comes in on it. And the myPilot has a much better display and indication of what it is doing. My audi pushes Siemens, and is more familiar with them … yet she could not make the Tek half as friendly as the myPilot, which gives much more volume control, more accurate control. YES for me, no question!

@Neilk said:

Almost a year later and I absolutely LOVE my YES IX’s. The sound quality is so much better to me than the Siemens was. And I’ve seen the comments about the 2 devices verses just 1 … well, the 2 devices work better, much better, in my opinion than the Tek did for me. The iCom has better sound quality, is smaller, doesn’t swing as much as the Tek, nor weigh nearly as much when hanging on your neck. In fact, I forget it’s even there until a call comes in on it. And the myPilot has a much better display and indication of what it is doing. My audi pushes Siemens, and is more familiar with them … yet she could not make the Tek half as friendly as the myPilot, which gives much more volume control, more accurate control. YES for me, no question!

Neil thanks for your response as well. Man I’m glad I’m actually getting some personal opinions and responses because making such a large investment isnt easy and you want to be sure what you are buying will deliver 100%. So now they are called the “Smarts” instead of the “Yes”. The difference is you no longer need the myPilot because you can actually switch programs directly on the ’s themselves. With the Yes series, you needed the myPilot remote. That’s one of the main differences my audi told me between the Yes and the new Smarts.

Thanks again guys!

In reply to @islanderbaw

@islanderbaw said:

I was not in love with the Siemens sound quality. (And by the specs and company reputation this was my favorite; surprise, surprise.) I thought is was tinny and produced lots of feedback. I also felt the Tek had all sort of issues; it didn’t feel like a finished product to me althought the feature set was rich, if it did what is was suppose to do it would have been great. The device is flawed. Another surprise was the rechargeable battery; I thought this was a no brainer and I was going to want this. No! As it turned out, having this extra device or charging unit and needing to charge the batteries every day turned out to be a real hassle.

I’ve not had any feedback issues, and the Tek unit only needs to be recharged about every two weeks or so, certainly not every day. (Edit: I should specify I don’t use my Tek device to connect to a TV or other electronics. That could use a lot more battery–I don’t know.)

@Goodspike said:

I’ve not had any feedback issues, and the Tek unit only needs to be recharged about every two weeks or so, certainly not every day. (Edit: I should specify I don’t use my Tek device to connect to a TV or other electronics. That could use a lot more battery–I don’t know.)

That would use more battery. What I found wanting about the Tek was that it left me guessing when adjusting the volume. It seemed to make very little difference going up and down, the beeps meant nothing, did not reflect the change if there was any, and the display was of no use whatsoever. The myPilot has a definite 2 db increase or decrease and actually displays exactly where you are along the scale on it’s screen. The Tek was useless. And I went into the Pures wanting to love them due to the ooo’s and ahh’s from the owner of my company telling me about his. I was completely disappointed.

Puzzled by the above post. If you press the upper side switch on the TEK once it will display the volume setting. Push + or - and the volume does change approx. 2db per pushin 8 steps or 16db total.

A word of caution to all about Siemens. Siemens has a loose distribution policy…they will sell their Aids to just about anybody including Internet discounters…so they are not too popular with some dispensers or audiologists…they get bad mouthed often for that reason.

When some one tells me one brand of aid sounds tinny and another price protected brand sounds natural, I am suspicious that the tinny sounding one is mis-adjusted either deliberately or through incompetance. (just remember that there are profit differences between models and brands and your local professional may be subject to making a biased statement in some cases…not every professional is 100% on your side…some are and some are not) Ed

In reply to @Neilk

I experienced some of the same issues with my Pure 700 & TEK at first. I was persistent with my Audi until she learned how to to use the advanced program settings. Feedback? adjusted the speed several times and no problems since. TEK volume? db range per + - click are adjustable in the setup software as well as the tone control. My TEK streams tv and music well and functions as it should with all the volume I could ever need. The phone works well but I don’t use if for that very often. If your trial doesn’t work properly then it is not set up well and should go back for adjustment. That is what you pay for. As for convenience. I keep the TEK in my shirt pocket, nothing around my neck no way!

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@ed121 said:

A word of caution to all about Siemens. Siemens has a loose distribution policy…they will sell their Aids to just about anybody including Internet discounters…so they are not too popular with some dispensers or audiologists…they get bad mouthed often for that reason.
Ed

Is that why I can get a Pure 700 or Cobalt 16 w/TEK from an audi for $3000 but other high end coat $5000?

Sure influences me towards Siemens

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@ed121 said:

Puzzled by the above post. If you press the upper side switch on the TEK once it will display the volume setting. Push + or - and the volume does change approx. 2db per pushin 8 steps or 16db total.

A word of caution to all about Siemens. Siemens has a loose distribution policy…they will sell their Aids to just about anybody including Internet discounters…so they are not too popular with some dispensers or audiologists…they get bad mouthed often for that reason.

When some one tells me one brand of aid sounds tinny and another price protected brand sounds natural, I am suspicious that the tinny sounding one is mis-adjusted either deliberately or through incompetance. (just remember that there are profit differences between models and brands and your local professional may be subject to making a biased statement in some cases…not every professional is 100% on your side…some are and some are not) Ed

ed121: You make a great point about the differences in reviews or opinions due to the fact one brand has a loose distribution policy and the other brand is price-protected for local audiologists. This makes me feel like I should still give the Siemens a try and I’m sure after I first try them out, I will definetly need some adjustments done in order to be fully satisfied.

@dsignr said:

I experienced some of the same issues with my Pure 700 & TEK at first. I was persistent with my Audi until she learned how to to use the advanced program settings. Feedback? adjusted the speed several times and no problems since. TEK volume? db range per + - click are adjustable in the setup software as well as the tone control. My TEK streams tv and music well and functions as it should with all the volume I could ever need. The phone works well but I don’t use if for that very often. If your trial doesn’t work properly then it is not set up well and should go back for adjustment. That is what you pay for. As for convenience. I keep the TEK in my shirt pocket, nothing around my neck no way!

dsignr: Glad to know that all it takes is someone who knows the advanced setups of Siemens. I will have to search around my area for a local Audi who has dealt with Siemens a lot and will be putting up with numerous adjustments shall I need them to make my experience perfect after all. I doubt the local Audi who I’m currently working with for the Phonaks will be willing to help me with the Siemens since I’m not buying them from her. I’m getting the Siemens through an online deal.

@rich_l said:

Is that why I can get a Pure 700 or Cobalt 16 w/TEK from an audi for $3000 but other high end HA coat $5000?

Sure influences me towards Siemens

Yes you are exactly correct. I’m getting the Siemens through an online deal for around $3200 and everything you can think of comes along with the package. I think I’m going to give them a shot myself and let me see for myself on how I really like these or not before I cough up an extra $1500 for the Phonaks. Problem is…my local Audi already made impressions on my two ears to order the custom molds for the Audeo Smarts. Can I use those custom molds for the Siemens or would I have to get new impressions and custom molds?

IMHO you get the best results from a local audi who wants to sell that brand because s/he has gotten the best results from that brand because (partly) of greatest proficiency with that brand’s software.

I walked into that situation at Costco with Cobalt - and she’s cute :slight_smile:

In reply to @Neilk

The audi sets the range for the volume, so every unit is effectively different, and can be changed. I had to have mine adjusted for the settings because they didn’t go high enough originally. There is a slight different beep when you reach the limit, but I’d agree that it’s not as different as it should be. But if you hit the right side button on the Tek unit, it will read the device(s) and report back what their relative volume setting is.

Problem is if I go with the Siemens Pures…I am getting them from an Audi out of state who is an online discount retailer. Once I get them, I have to find a local Audi who is willing to put up with servicing my needs. I’m willing to pay everytime I need them to be serviced. Let’s see how my Phonak Audiologist here locally responds first. Who knows, she may be more than willing to help me with the Siemens.

In reply to @ABerri

@ABerri said:

Problem is if I go with the Siemens Pures…I am getting them from an Audi out of state who is an online discount retailer. Once I get them, I have to find a local Audi who is willing to put up with servicing my needs. I’m willing to pay everytime I need them to be serviced. Let’s see how my Phonak Audiologist here locally responds first. Who knows, she may be more than willing to help me with the Siemens.

Don’t bet on a Phonak Audiologist being able to handle a Siemens.
The Siemens Software and features are hard to program.

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@Neilk said:

That would use more battery. What I found wanting about the Tek was that it left me guessing when adjusting the volume. It seemed to make very little difference going up and down, the beeps meant nothing, did not reflect the change if there was any, and the display was of no use whatsoever. The myPilot has a definite 2 db increase or decrease and actually displays exactly where you are along the scale on it’s screen. The Tek was useless. And I went into the Pures wanting to love them due to the ooo’s and ahh’s from the owner of my company telling me about his. I was completely disappointed.

The volume problem with your Siemens… is with your audi…
The audi can:
o Set the Range of the Volume control min to max and almost nothing OR
kick it up where pushing the + & - actually are noticeable.

o Also the beeps can be made on or off … and their volume adusted.
my audi messed up on this for a month.

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