Roger On with Phonak P50UP hearing aids

@jte said:

But I do have Roger Direct.

You have Phonak Paradise Naida P50UP and this device have no connectors for a physical receiver cubicle.

All Phonak heaing aids of generation: Phonak Marvel, Phonak Paradise , Phonak Lumity have no connectors for a physical receiver. So you can not connect a physical receiver cube to such hearing aid models.

Older HA models have connectors and there you can connect a boot where you can connect a physical roger receiver cube. The silver cubes are called Roger X receivers.

What is Roger Direct ?
The newer Phonak hearing aid generations (M, P, L ) have Roger Direct , and this is just a place inside the hearing aid → inside the memory of the chip ,
Roger Direct means that the HA have in his memory chip an empty place holder for a non physical receiver license. The Roger receiver is in fact just a code of software , just encoded numbers of invisible bits & bytes) and Roger Direct means that the HA have an internal storage for a Roger receiver (the Phonak receiver license code )

A physical Roger X receiver cubicle also holds such a encoded number in his chip , and the cubicle have an internal antenna and connectors. And it is possible to extract this virtual receiver license (encoded code / Bytes) wireless from a physical receiver cubicle and transfer this license code into the M, P , L hearing aids , and for this transfer you need an extra hardware → Roger installer. (black plate see Zebras picture above)

@jte You dont need to purchase Roger X cubicles and Roger installer hardware if you purchase an Roger On IN (or Roger Direct IN) microphone , because then you receive this microphone with two internal Roger licenses (virtual receivers , non physical, just a binary code) and you can send these roger receiver licenses wireless (install) to each HA of a pair , and vice versa it is possible to send the Roger Licenses from the hearing aids back to the internal storage of the Roger Microphone , if you want to store the software licenses back in the memory of the Microphone , when you change to new hearing aids , this step will be crucial that you save your Roger Receiver Licenses.

Be aware, if you purchase Roger On IN (or Roger Direct IN) microphones second hand on ebay or elsewhere, because it could be that you get just the Microphone without the expensive virtual Roger Receivers , when the seller did not transfer his Roger receiver licenses back into the microphone

@anon54276456 said:

The “licenses” you are refering to on my phone, are you refering to Roger Receivers?

yes , then you need the Roger ON IN with two receiver Licenses in it .

Older hearing aids required physical receivers that connected to the bottom of the aid, like the pictures others have posted, to be able to use Roger devices. In newer models (Marvel, Paradise, and Lumity), the physical hardware that was in those external receivers is now incorporated in the main body of the aid. Phonak calls this “Roger Direct,” and it means there’s no need to use physical external receivers (and no place to plug them in anyway).

But there’s a catch: As PeterH said, Phonak wanted this change to be revenue-neutral. If people were no longer paying for the physical external receivers that are no longer necessary, that’s money that has to be made up somewhere. Phonak’s solution was to require people to buy digital licenses, which it confusingly still calls “receivers,” to enable their Roger Direct aids to actually use the already-included Roger receiver technology.

At the same time Phonak made this change, it started selling iN versions of all of its Roger products. The difference between the On and On iN is that the iN (if bought new) comes with two digital licenses included, and those licenses can be transferred to your hearing aids with no additional devices or expense required. There are other ways of obtaining and transferring those digital licenses, and if your aids already have licenses that you’ve transferred from something else, you should be able to use the non-iN version of the On or any other Roger device. But if you don’t already have those licenses in your aids, the non-iN version won’t be usable.

The non-iN versions are generally cheaper than the iN versions, unless the iN versions are being sold without licenses (which is something you should watch out for if you buy one used).