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@PeterH said:

G50 is quiet sounds under 50dB

It’s just 50dB, not under.

Soft Sound Reduction is 35dB and that reduces that sound. This can’t be raised unlike up to Marvel range.

G65 is just 65dB.
G80 is just 80 .

35dB (soft sound reduction) is very soft sounds.
50dB is soft sounds.
65dB is speech.
80dB is loud sounds/speech.

:slight_smile:

TK/Gain 35 for very soft sounds, however it’s missing for the Paradise models, you have to use the soft noise reduction slider, I wonder why they did this.

It’s in program options as a slider in Target for paradise, no longer a separate page.

I have to say that, in the MyPhonak app, the slider for increasing soft sounds (which I had overlooked at first) was a game changer to me!

@DamonHill
Yes, recently I used the app, in the pub.

I have Music as Startup/Default, as I can then hear everything. But, however, it gets very noisy and cluttered as the pub fills up and the jukebox is on. I realised a jukebox had a speaker behind me. This is normally fine, but I was talking to a quiet speaker in front of me. I switched to “Speech in Noise”, but that reduced his voice too! So, I selected Music again, and used the sliders “Speech Focus” and “Dynamic” (both to the right). They worked perfectly.

Peter

@Zebras @tenkan
Thank you for clarifying. I shouldn’t make assumptions. It would be interesting to know what moving the “dynamic” slider, in the app, actually does!

Peter

In reply to @DamonHill

The way I have used these measurements is if someone comes in and says they prefer their automatic program with a bass/middle/treble slider adjusted in their myPhonak app, I can attempt to approximate those changes under fine tuning. For instance, if a patient comes in and prefers his treble slider up, I can see that that slider affects ~1200Hz and above, so I would increase gain at those bands.

Different manufacturers’ in-app EQ sliders seem to have different definitions for bass, middle, and treble, but based on what am measuring, Phonak defines treble as at and above ~1200. Middle seems to affect up to around 3500 Hz, significantly between 750 Hz and 1200 Hz. Bass seems to affect up to ~800 Hz. If I saw a Phonak user who adjusted bass/middle/treble in their app, these would be the ranges I would be looking at.

Thanks Paul!

But do you agree that, in my case, I might as well follow Zebra‘s suggestion and ask my audiologist to reduce the channels to 3, in order to mimic the MyPhonak app equaliser?

And do you agree that one notch in the sliders = +/- 3db?

In reply to @PeterH

Verrrry intriguing! I have a problem that dates back to January when my audi xferred a corrupt file over to a couple pairs of rechargeables that had to go back to Phonak for new batteries.

Both sets of aids, the RIGHT aid squeals like a pig whose tail is being stepped on. The right aid squeal (I’m thinking it’s feedback) happens if anything comes within several inches of that aid. Left aid is NO PROB. If I turn the volume of my aids down so they hardly help, that RIGHT aid still squeals if I put a hand near it. Like the squeal is supercharged on that side.

Is this a “WhistleBlock” issue on the RIGHT aid only? What other areas could my audi look at to see why the RIGHT aid on these two pairs has so much more leaky-squeaky feedback? The silicone domes are the same for right & left aid, and the domes are seated snugly in my ear.

This thread is shedding light, but I wish I knew how to diagnose and fix this RIGHT aid feedback. I have an app’t next Tues with my audi to see what can be done.

Just tell them the middle frequencies. With your loss treble will not really benefit your hearing. And Bass is to low to really help would probably muddy the sound.

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