I think itâs a question on what you expect and what you consider a big difference. As I said in another thread I am able to actually talk to someone with the Spheres in a situation I could not do with the Lumitys. That doesnât mean that noise is gone, it is not. But being able to have a conversation is a âbig differenceâ for me. Another personal experience. This morning I am in the hospital for a minor procedure. With the hospital noise I could not understand the male admitting nurse. I manually engaged the Spheric program and was easily able to understand him. I use cShells.
Yes but again, you can for sure compare Lumity with Sphere and say that this is good for you, but what if you compare Lumity with Infinio, or Infinio with Sphere?
I bet you will also say the Infinio is much better than Lumity, but is Sphere really that much better than Infinio?
I am glad for everyone that could improve listening with Sphere but if this is really the Spheric or just the improvement from Lumity to the Infinio.
To be honest you have to be in a really noisy situation. If you look at a lot of the anecdotal reports of the Sphere, quite a few people have said that it only automatically goes into âsphericâ mode on a few occasions i.e. speech in loud noise triggered when it reaches 70 or whatever the noise floor is. This means that all the other modes are in play and are going to be the same as the infinio and only incrementally better than the Lumity.
However the crucial thing is that the âsphericâ mode, from all the anecdotal reports I have seen, apart from yours (why is that?) are saying that it gives benefit like no other hearing aid before it and most if not all (apart from you - why is that?) have been blown away.
Also, besides having a manual program, you can have your set a lower noise floor for Spheric noise reduction kicking in. See this post: Phonak Sphere l90 versus l70 - #44 by jim_lewis. You can have increased or decreased directionality and increased or decreased strength of noise reduction (first image in link) as well as vary the noise threshold (2nd image).
Since I have not received my Spheres yet, I donât know how the strength of noise reduction affects speech intelligibility. With more classic noise reduction algorithms, increasing the strength of noise reduction eliminates more noise from the speech you want to hear but also bites off increasing amounts of speech sounds needed for intelligibility. So, there is a Goldilocks zone, and there may be too for Spheric speech in noise processing.
However the crucial thing is that the âsphericâ mode, from all the anecdotal reports I have seen, apart from yours (why is that?) are saying that it gives benefit like no other hearing aid before it and most if not all (apart from you - why is that?) have been blown away.
Maybe because I have no comparison to old hearing aids, but rather compare the Sphere with other top devices.
Iâm sure if I switched from my old devices to Sphere I would probably be very happy, but I know that the Spheric is not a game changer for me, maybe in 7 years when I buy new hearing aids, but now itâs just a gimmick that is of little use to me because 1. itâs not really better than the normal one in the noise program and 2. it irritates me like the Resound Nexia when it suddenly highlights some speech from somewhere and 3. it can only be used for 7 hours (itâs useless at a wedding, party, disco, etc.)
Starkey has the Edge+, it works like the Spheric but there no one was talking about a gamechanger.
If I wanted to be mean, I would say itâs a placebo effect.
If I wanted to be mean, I would say itâs a placebo effect.
Or you could just say âsubjective assessmentâ. It didnât do much for you but worked for others. The story of hearing aids since the dawn of time.
Yes, sure, everyone hear different, comes from another devices, or is new on hearing aids. Thatâs why testing is so important.
I just wanted to give contra, because you only read how good they are, and that they works, but no not for everyone and I start reading from different people that they also donât hear a big difference.
Maybe you could just return the Spheres and more productively spend your time with that you find work better for you. It does kinda seem like youâre on a mission to diss the Spheres as much as possible. Most of us donât imagine weâll encounter your experience if we try the Spheres ourselves based on Phonakâs reputation and what many professionals and other long-time forum members have said about the Spheres when theyâve tried them. Sometimes, people fall so in love with a particular brand of hearing aid like the Intents, that they feel the need to knock other brands encroaching on their favorite brandâs market share, etc.
If you look back through forum history, youâll also find that there is tremendous individual variation in what any particular person thinks/feels is the best hearing aid. There is the fitting, the sound the hearing aid puts out, the userâs own hearing loss, the environments theyâve tried the hearing aids in, whose speech or what music they were trying to hear, etc. Very uncontrolled environmental factors, and a lot of SUBJECTIVITY. So, even if itâs so that the Spheres, even with the best fitting adjustments, are terrible for you, most of us are just going to integrate your feedback into the mountain of everything else. The general forum advice has always been: donât take anyone else advice without checking. Try whatever HAs you think might work first before plunking down thousands of dollars. And make sure you know what the trial period is. So, if the Spheres are not working for you, I hope you can get all your money back.
I always wrote good for those for whom it works. I donât want to speak badly about Phonak, they are good devices but also the cons has to be written on a forum, not only when it works for some people.
I was a bit blinded by you, because it works well for you, even though I have to admit that I didnât expect much from the Spheres, thereâs so much sugarcoating and hyping that you have to test it first.
No worry I didnât spend a cent so far. I would never buy something without testing it properly.
So all these people who have posted on facebook, youtube, this site, reddit, testimonials that they are able to hear in restaurants, weddings and other noisy places, some of whom as cynical as you are, - of which I have seen at least 10 very detailed reviews , saying they were able to hear in situations that they were not able to before - they are ALL wrong are they? Placebo effect is it?
I go right back to the old analog days, I disliked analog with some venom, they amplified everythingâŠThe wall of sound, took some getting used too, yet many millions of folk loved them, and they were probably deeply upset, at the advent of digital aids, I am certain many still pine for analog! I have always used the analogy of our , as like a fingerprint, totally unique to the individual, and as such, our perception of sound varies, extremely so, in some instances, what you love, I might hate, and vice versa⊠Hearing Aids, are âAidsâ they are in effect âAssistive Listening Devicesâ, they cannot restore your hearing, they can however, enhance your ability to hear⊠In choosing the correct hearing aids for you, is very much a compromise, the good bits, should in my opinion, outweigh the bad, what is important to me, might seem irrelevant to you⊠Above all else, is the Audiologist/Fitter, they can make a cheap set of aids sound excellent, and on the flip side, an expensive pair of aids sound terrible, everything depends on their skillset⊠Not all Audiologists were created equal, seeking out the good ones, is key to a favourable outcome! This forum helps you sort sort the âWheat from the Chaffâ⊠But, unfortunately or not, only the individual can tell, if any particular hearing aid, meets most of your needs, hearing aids will not solve all communication complexities, if they solve most, I humbly suggest, thatâs as good as it gets!!! Cheers Kev
The question is, wouldnât they have heard it with the normal speech-in-noise program too?
I never said that this is bullshit, I just see that it donât work the way that Phonak want us to tell and I am not the only one.
And I also donât hear really a different between those two programs.
And I donât want to say that a or b is a liar, if it works for them great!
@ [kevels55]
you are absolutely right, at the end you take the one that has the less dissavantage.
The Spheric could work great for most people, but not as well for some. Thereâs nothing new about the idea of âindividual/custom fitâ and the need to âtry it yourself.â Personally, I get really distractedâand even very frustratedâif I perceive sound as unnatural. Iâd rather hear noise than be overwhelmed by artifacts that distort sound. I canât cope with that. Thatâs why I tend to use the bare minimum of features in my Oticon Intent 1 hearing aids (those that I have a choice, anyways). That said, Iâd love to try the Spheric programâmaybe it would work great for me! Or maybe notâŠ
Iâd rather hear noise than be overwhelmed by artifacts that distort sound. I canât cope with that.
This I feel is me.
Iâd love to try Sphere at some point, but I guess Iâd disable Autosense (as I do in Marvel & Paradise), and just have Music and Sphere as Additional programmes. If the weird effects were just in the specific, manually switchable, programme, I could live with it.
Peter
I gave my Phonak Sphere back today, before I entered the store I made a last test with Spheric.
What should I say? Yes some language kicked in, but also the music of the street artist. It was nearly like the Resound Nexia or the Oticon Real, they also had sometimes kicked languages from somewhere. I didnât liked this.
My final decision was now Oticon Intent 2.
Thanks, I gave mine back today, with the final test I could also notice highlights on some speech by passenger, but I also heard musik highlighted. Nothing for me, good for those who can profit from this.
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