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What’s the benefit of having a separate Speech in Noise program?

I have Oticon Xceed and currently have VAC+ as P1 and DSE as P2 and on both of them, I’m using Oticon’s version of Phonak AutoSense.

Does Oticon’s version of Phonak AutoSense change to a Speech in Noise Program on it’s own?

I’m unsure what Oticon’s version of Phonak AutoSense is called.

Thanks for any help.

EDIT - I think it’s set to Open Automatic?

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Here is what i know from my experiences with the OPN1, OPNS1, More1, Real1, and INTENT1 aids. I depend on only the default general program, i haven’t had major issues with speech in noise and have enjoyed what I call surround sound in most environments. Each generation of aids has shown me improvements in speech in noise and speech in general. The INTENT aids are atleast for me awesome for speech in noise, music, meetings, and lectures. Do I hear the aids switching programs? No. Back in my early days with the Oticon Duals, and ALTRA pro aids I heard the aids switching programs, it was like a low sounding click. My INTENT1 aids has the general program and the TV adapter only. It is all that I need.

@cvkemp

Thank you.

I can’t tell if the programs are switching either.

I do well with P1 and P2. More curious if I can ask the NHS for anymore programs to help me, Altho not sure I can get any better.

Can I ask another question. Is this screenshot on Androids as well and is it separate to the Live Listen?
My friend’s son has the Xceed but an Android. Asking for him.

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I haven’t tried remote mike other than my connect clip.

FWIW I have Phonak Audeo Paradise P90R’s, myPhonak APP

My hearing aids automatically switch from autosense to “speech in noise” or whatever they choose.

The only way I know what program I am in is to:

Turn on my “iPhone”,
select “myPhonak” APP.
Select “Adjust Program”.

I’ve done that. Currently myPhonak then says:
"Adjust Calm Situation

(Automatic)<

It would say, “Adjust Speech in Noise” if it was in that program.

and I may change settings such as

Equalizer Presets

(Default…Comfort…Clarity…Speech…Surrounding) (Volume)(Noise Reduction)

(Speech Focus)

(Dynamic)

and, last choice is: “Save as New”

If I do that Im in a saved program that eats up battery capacity horrendously.

My aids, INTENT1 automatically chooses the settings to fit the environment i am in, I don’t have to do anything. I mean from noisy restaurants, riding my Vespa Scooter, driving my Jeep, even with the windows down. Or walking the trails, being in a church service, going to a concert, a meeting with people talking all around, or to a lecture. Sure I may have to adjust the volume at times, never up but sometimes down by a couple of clicks.

This is excerpt from Oticon’s own description of Open Sound Navigator:

OpenSound Navigator lets you balance the level of sound across listening environments so that the sound in focus is clear, and other sounds can be heard but are less distracting. The settings in OpenSound Navigator automatically reflect your client’s hearing loss, age and listening preferences if you have used the [Personalization] tool, but settings can also be adjusted manually.

In reply to @hearing-love_loss

The Oticon aids do it all within the same default program. I have been wearing aids 20 years and Oticon aids for 14 years. I know what I am talking about. But no the app only sees the default general program I use all the time, it doesn’t show the switching that takes place within the general program but it does it automatically and without any need to worry or think about it.

@cvkemp said:

The Oticon aids do it all within the same default program.

That’s what I thought as well.

My go into directional when I’m on a busy street but don’t stay in directional all the time so they must be switching on their own.

You must be labeling a different phenomena as a “program”. I mean a set of the fixed gains when I talk about the program. I have 4 programs installed on my Oticon Reals and the aids don’t change the programs (gains) on their own. Here is an example of the default program.

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In reply to @Zebras

Zebras I’ve done a lot of reading, and watched a lot of videos. Dr. Ted V (Ven…?) was best

I’m of a generation that thought the only way to hear better was to turn up the volume.

Then came my Phonak Audeo Paradise P90R’s that didn’t work.
Directional microphones (’s have motion detectors)

  • my dispensing audi didn’t figure out he had to have my Right HA connect to my L HA. So none of my programs worked.

Fast forward, Target has two reports that have helped me. Pro Report. User Report.
They show the settings, and how my hearing aids are set…

Maybe Oticon has something similar.

In reply to @hearing-love_loss

If the aids are properly adjusted extra programs you are talking about shouldn’t be needed. And my only extra programs are my TV adapter and my connect clip microphone. I have found that the extra programs you are talking about is just a pain I don’t need or want to have to think about. And why should anyone have them if the aids are properly adjusted and the default program can do it in the background. Yes I know there are people that just have to control everything and I personally feel that is foolish. There are way more things in life to worry about.

I feel like I’ve fallen down a rabbit hole using my Paradise P90R’s…
I’ve invested 10,000 hours trying to make them work.

All I want to do is hear better.

DaveL

In reply to @hearing-love_loss

I automatically assumed you and others would know I mean, the additional speech in noise program, that Oticon offers, I was talking about but I guess not.

Of course I know that my Aids won’t change between P1 and P2 on their own.

In reply to @DaveL

@DaveL my frist 3 sets of aids didn’t have connectivity and no way to change programs or even adjust volume.
I do like the volume adjustments, and i am definitely enjoying connectivity. But I still don’t see the need for added programs. Over my 20 years I have learned something important, that is the audiologist is the most important thing in the formula of the right hearing aids. I keep with Oticon aids because from generation to generation of aids my audiologist just needs to copy my adjustments to the new aids making minor changes to adapt the previous settings to the new generation of aids and my aids just work.

The NHS have programmed my Xceed with “General”, “Speech in noise” and “music” programs.

My thinking, after wearing these devices for a couple of months is that the General program has processing that adapts to noise but is not directional, whereas the Speech in noise program is certainly directional. Actually I think the way the Oticon general program works is brilliant as there is, it seems to me anyway, very little mic attenuation, which is of course different to Phonak.

I have only switched to the speech in noise program once, when the noise was overwhelming.

Oticon is the only hearing aids that has an automatic program, all others don’t have such a feature.
Phonak Autosense? Nope, it is only switching from program a to b to c to d to e etc. and you can hear/feel the switch …
Why does Oticon also have some separate programs? Well because the customers wanted this, means they are changing some parameters but still the hearing aids is in an automatic program
e.g. on my intent 2

  • normal mode the morseound is 2 (very easey/easy) / 8db (normal, complex, very complex)
  • speech in noise program, the moresoudn is 4 (very easy) / 10db (easy, normal, complex, very complex), it also increases the frequencies by up to 3-4 positions
  • hearing comfort in noise, the moresound is 2 (very easy) / 10db (easy, normal, complex, very complex), and the 4d is deselected and it also lowered the frequencies by up to 3-4 positions
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That is not correct. Autosense blends up to 200 permutations of programs to suit the particular situation. It does not necessarily switch to a defined program.

Also, Oticon are not the only hearing aid that works automatically. I have never heard that claim. Most if not all manufacturers produce hearing aids that work automatically! Do you mean Oticon are the only aid where everything can work from one program? That could be true, but then, why do I have 3 programs?

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