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With the help of members of this forum having tuned my NHS Nathos Auto SP aids (aka Bolero V-70 SP) nearly 3 years ago I have not logged in for a while.

On eBay recently a pair of Naida V90 UP were listed and I won the auction - just !!

I do not need the higher output of the UP but rather wanted to find if the V-90 gave any benefit from the additional features / programs.

I connected to the aids fine using HI-PRO and cables then transferred the programs from the Nathos Auto SP. I set the earmould / tube details and ran the real ear test.

In the devices screen I enabled the setting so that operating the button or volume control on one aid should change also change the other aid.
One program I have set is speech in loud noise - this is where at least for the Nathos Auto SP the aid work together.

While still connected to the HI-PRO I noticed that changing the program or volume on one aid did not change the other and that with the speech in loud noise program selected the aids were not working together.

Once the settings saved in Target ( 6.1 I think, certainly 6.x ) I disconnected from the HI-PRO and inserted batteries. All fine except still changing the program or volume on one aid did not change the other and that with the speech in loud noise program selected the aids were not working together.

Without reconnecting loaded Target and the fitting session but I can not see any setting I have not enabled. Is there something I have missed? If so can somebody explain exactly what and where - screen grabs uploaded here or privately in a message would be helpful.

Otherwise logically one if not both of the Naida V90 UP aids have a fault.

I also need to spend time with the SoundRecover2 settings as different to SoundRecover for the Nathos Auto SP. Quickly though I’m not convinced first with the adjustments I made and second when in the real world. I left both sliders set to the right Distinction and Comfort. Moving the upper one left to Audibility seemed to be cutting out the higher frequencies.

P.S. to moderators
I started a new topic as I could not find a relevant one.
If there is and this post needs moving to that please do so and message me with the link. Likewise if the Soundrecover part needs splitting to a separate new or existing topic.

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Yeah easy enough, there’s a “check box” to make this happen, I remember you could switch this to work independently, somewhere in the device settings page.
As for soundrecover it’s a bit of trial and error for some, you might not notice a big improvement with your loss tho, one thing you should try is to turn it off and see if your really getting any benefit, you don’t mention the formula or what acoustics you have used, could be helpful to know.

Tone generator to test it.

https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/5

@tenkan,

Thanks for your reply.

Without the aids connected ( as these have the connector inside the battery compartment I don’t want to keep connecting as difficult plus the cables are fragile and I do not have a spare ) I have opened the session and copied the screen.

This shows quicksync is enabled.

Phonak hearing aids have QuickSync which allow for
synchronized ear-to-ear changes on both sides. The benefit is
that clients only need to make a change on one hearing aid
and the other hearing automatically adjusts.

Regardless with the ‘speech in loud noise’ program selected as I understand these Naida V-90 aids should work together the same as the NHS Nathos Auto.

Naida_V90_UP_DeviceOptions

Given no linking at all unless someone can point me to another (global) setting to enable / pair the aids I can only presume at least one has a fault.

Regarding Soundrecover2 as I said I need to try more. All I can do it set up sources on my Hi-Fi and listen to the TV. Given time I will have various sources ready plus can swap between these Naida V-90 and the NHS Nathos Auto.
Thanks for the link to the tone generator.

Go to the volume behaviour and change from flexcontrol to std volume and see if you can get that working together, something isn’t right obviously if you aren’t noticing any difference, but also make sure in signals and alerts that the beebs are louder and at the right frequency for you to hear.

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In reply to @Delta10

I’ve found that sometimes unticking and reticking the box works, hope they aren’t faulty.
You can get hipro leads on a long stem that helps with the fitting.
For sound recover use the S-SH-S-SH feature on the media player.
I-cube 2 can be used on V and I’ve seen them Ebay for as little as £50 recently.

@tenkan , @michael1 ,

Thank you for your replies.

I will try what you have suggested for both linking the aids and Soundrecover2.
Given what I paid if faulty not the end of the world.

I will post whatever I find.

I will put a watch on eBay for an I-cube 2 if the possibility to get one at reasonable price.
Does this work with newer aids? I am thinking ahead to what the NHS issue now or might be issuing in a couple of years time.

I have got a watch for CS44a cables. I could work with CS44 by carefully cutting open and crossing the two pins/cores to make CS44a.

@Delta10 said:

Does this work with newer aids?

No unfortunately it’s only good for up to Belong platform, from Marvel onwards it’s Noahlink wireless programming device.

Yes it’s reasonably easy to make the cables. I used rj45 or similar to join them, not too sure as it’s a while back now.

To try and get the pair communicating I ran the reset tool on both then reloaded the profile as a pair but still no communication.
I then reset again and loaded individually by the export / import fitting functions.
Now by default Qucksync off. I set to on for both program change and volume control.
After saving and closing the session still no sync / communication so I have to conclude a fault. Loading the settings from the aids sync is shown as enabled so the hardware rather than the program settings.

Regarding Soundrecover 2 I set off for the Auto / startup group but on for others except music.
I could go further and set exactly the same program except one off and one on particularly now as the programs that rely on sync do not work properly.
Overall though I think from the settings I have tried no benefit to me.

While Soundrecover is enabled on the NHS Nathos Auto SP aids (aka Bolero V-70 SP) I think very mild as more like these Naida V-90 with Soundrecover2 turned off.

@tenkan
If the I-cube 2 is only for older aids I probably will not bother unless very cheap.
Also may not work with at least one of these Naida V90.

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