Sorry, I posted the wrong video. The one you're referring to8 is Matthew talking about Auracast being added to Infinio via firmware upgrade in the coming year. It's my understanding that Eon will have Auracast on day 1. Perhaps I'm confused, but that's my read.

@AbramBaileyAuD said:

Perhaps I'm confused, but that's my read.

I think you are correct: Phonak Audéo™ EON Sphere | AI-Powered RIC Hearing Aid19

Edit: Yes, it does

I would like Hearing tracker to do an independent study between Oticon Reveal and Phonak Eon. I would like to see which achieves better speech understanding, both in general and in noisy situations. and compare how good Bluetooth LE/auracast is, try it with several Android models.

I believe we've already tested both in the HearAdvisor lab. Sound only though. The connectivity stuff is way harder to test because it can be highly variable by phone. But, Steve will definitely be trying everything out on his iPhone. I'll see if he needs me to order him a Samsung or Pixel for Android users like myself.

I think the truest test for the users would be testing phones that are at least four years old.

Oitcon fast pair with android is probably my favorite pairing though. If only the apps could have a "fix pairing" button, but the phones would never let them.

@bradw said:

Again, not having tried them on, I really do think that I'd rather have all these efficiency improvements, but in the larger form factor so that it can have a bigger battery!!!

Exactly. With 37% better energy efficiency, continuous Spheric Speech in Noise program in Eon Sphere would last 13-15 hours, which would be awesome. I am curious if battery size is the same as in Infinio Sphere (Ultra).

For me, I would be careful if this generation provides something meaningful compared to my Audéo Infinio Sphere 90 Ultra. But their statements about battery life are bolder than during Infinio Sphere release 2 years ago. Remembering that was too careful and in fact in normal use case, Infinio Sphere can lasts 30-40h instead of their declared "full day".

WindBlock 2.0 is useful, I remember @WhiteHat and few another users that that was problem, especially during biking.

Introducing DNN in cheaper 50 version is definitely a plus.

It's a pity that it seems that Eon Sphere don't have binaural ordinary noise management like StereoZoom 2.0 Speech in Loud Noise like in Infinio R.

@bradw said:

I really do think that I'd rather have all these efficiency improvements, but in the larger form factor so that it can have a bigger battery

For me it's all relative. If the device is implementing a chip that uses less power and can get a full day with a battery that fits in a smaller form-factor then this is a bonus. I'll gladly accept a larger device when necessary to get a full day of wear (which I could never quite get from my Audeo P90Rs) but if real-world performance can reach 25+ hours then what I would actually prefer is servicable battery so that the device's lifespan is not capped by that of the cell. No doubt that would require making the device significantly larger.

Presumably user-servicable, rechargeable HA batteries would only happen if the EU mandated it. I won't hold my breath. But then again... check this out for a taste of what's possible:

https://ca.sennheiser-hearing.com/collections/in-ear-headphones/products/momentum-true-wireless-5?variant=5690602841719010

MOMENTUM True Wireless 5

Now with user-replaceable batteries to extend the lifespan

Do you know when they'll be available in Italy? The EasyGuard domes obviously won't be available with UP receivers, right?

That Sennheiser earbuds are really beautiful devices...!

I looked at the Cliff Aud review.

The new Audeo sphere brings lower battery consumption. comes in a smaller case size. two charger options are offered (with and without built-in battery). added support for two tuning formulas Nalnl3 and phonak apd 4.0. In general, the sphere remained the same as with the infinio version.

well it's multi-layered...even philosophical, I suppose

Not so much about an imediate need for >20 continuous hours

1) yes concern about when the battery ages, 20 hours becomes 19, then 18 and it's borderline...then 17 and it's a failure. It's just too close to actual need without a proper safety factor. I generally wear my aids roughly around 15-16 hours per day, but around 18 hours per day sometimes happens

2) and also, without the safety factor of extra time there are a lot of very plausible scenarios that can cause a serious inconvenience. An inconvenience to me because I can get by without my aids, but for some folks it's a real problem potentially. There's a current thread about this whole topic so I'll try not to belabor it here too much...but what happens when that overnight charge that you're counting on fails for whatever reason, and you wake to find dead or nearly dead hearing aids? Do you have 1 hour that you can sacrifice to charge them up to around 40%..... and then will that 40% get you through the rest of the day?

Summing it up, I'll not happily accept rechargeable hearing aids until three things happen

a) They give at least two full days of use on a charge...that means in the ballpark of 30-35 hours at least. I reckon that should be enough for most folks to sort out a reasonable charging problem.

b) The rechargeable aids can charge without the need for a proprietary charger device. Think cellphones and other devices now days...can be charged with any USB-C cable and many with wireless charging....

c) the rechargeable aids can charge FAST...and I mean FAST. Like my now 5-1/2 year old cell phone that claims to charge to 50% in 15 minutes and 100% in about 30 minutes. It might seem ridiculous at first, but there have been several times when I've woke to find that I hadn't plugged it in properly (or forgot to), and I can get a useable charge to get me through the day in the short time it takes me to shower. The reality with a cell phone is that it could be slower than this becasue I can plug the phone in while in teh car driving, or plug it into a battery bank in my pocket and it can continue to charge while I go about my business...but a hearing aid kinda needs to charge that fast becasue it's not realistic to think that you can charge it and use it at the same time

it would for sure!

My understadning that these Sennheiser's from Costco are more or less the I-90 non sphere aids

that when they get them, costco will likely offer the E-90 non sphere aids. I'd be excited if they offer even the E-70-sphere level, but from what little I know about it I'm not holding my breath....