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Big thanks to forum people for help with software access and lots of good information! Today was my first time connecting my Phonak L50 (unchanged since set up by audi) feeling nervous, not trying to make changes, just looking :nerd_face:

I printed reports from Target so I could to see side-by-side the original settings for various programs but puzzled about the circled numbers.

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I’m guessing those numbers show each small increase or decrease or zero difference… in relation to what? And what units? Can anyone help me understand this?

Thanks :smiley:

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Those are just ( maximum power output) and CR (compression) G50 soft sounds,G65, medium/moderate and loud at G80, these change depending on the program, and of course when in fine tuning, I’d do a little bit more research before jumping in and doing any projects, not sure if the DlY school has any of this information, but the target user guide is handy, as well as the automatic fine tuning
in target.

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I think your 65 gain is around -1 dB up to 6 dB only? The same thing with the others as well, just can’t see them too well with the circle.

The arrows to raise them or lower them in the middle will say 1 dB or 3 dB with each arrow, if you hover the mouse over the arrows. (In the software.)

Thank you both for responding. Don’t worry @Tenkan I’m not rushing to change things and I have read lots of helpful info in School. I still need to learn more! :slightly_smiling_face:

@Zebras said:

I think your 65 dB gain is around -1 dB up to 6 dB only?

Yes that’s at 65 on the Right , the Left is from -3 to 5.
So this means from 1 dB less, up to 6 dB more… than what?

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@justlisten said:

So this means from 1 dB less, up to 6 dB more… than what?

0 . Can’t be anything else!

It won’t be from 50 dB.

You get roughly a 1/3 of the gain needed and with your hearing loss being so mild, up to 8 dB for you G50 worth of gain is what it is.

You don’t get 20 dB of gain for a 20 dB loss.

@Zebras thanks for your help and sorry I’m finding this quite confusing.

Row G65 is for input sound at 65dB e.g. conversation - is that correct?

G65 Right:
6 for 2.5k - does that mean the will amplify/increase mid-frequency input sound by 6dB?

-1 for 310 - will the HA reduce low frequency input sound by 1dB?

-1 for 6.7k - will the HA reduce high frequency input sound by 1dB?

This is for “Calm situation” so I would not expect my HAs to reduce input sound… ???

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From the target 8 step by step guide:
The gain or values can be changed by clicking on the up
or down arrow next to the table. You have the option to make
one step changes (single arrow) or three step changes (double
arrow). These steps do not equal to changes in decibels. If you
wish to view the compression ratio for each frequency
channel, they are shown in the row directly underneath the
gain values

https://www.phonak.com/content/dam/celum/phonak/master-assets/en/documents/resources/phonak-target/ph-guide-target8.0-step-by-step-210x297-en.pdf23

Yeah it’s confusing, Gain (input, low to high) = Volume (loudness) which = , so if you change in “steps” and watch the graph, you’ll notice an increase or decrease in dB depending on whether you click up or down, the graph shows increase or decrease in dB, but what Phonak are saying it’s not 1 step = 1dB or 3 step = 3dB across the board, some frequencies more some less, so it’s steps, but 1 step or 3, “steps” must have a valid value? which corresponds to dB right?
Looks like one of the Pro’s is gonna have to chime in.

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