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I have several questions regarding the Sphere Infinio with Up Receiver I hope someone has answers to.

When did the Audeo Sphere Infinio with Up first come out (date wise)?

In my opinion a true Power Up aid should come with optional customs molds. So am I correct that the can be placed in custom molds?

For power aids why does Phonak keep going back and forth putting receiver in aid body, then change to receiver in mold. The Paradise and Lumity aids have receiver in body of hearing aid casing. Now the Audeo Sphere Infinio Up has receiver in canal. Why the ping-pong game back and forth?

I’m also in the camp that a true UP ideally would work with a 675 battery. I know that’s not available right now but does anyone have a guess when Phonak might roll out the Sphere Infinio Up that will work with a disposable battery?

I have to admit for those with a severe to profound hearing loss the Sphere Infinio fitting chart is impressive. Question is how well word recognition works with these aids addressing bottom of fitting chart levels?

Lastly I always get confused by Audeo verses Naida aids. My assumtion is Phonakl Naida aids are more in line with someone with a severe to profound hearing loss. So in the ‘Big Picture’ are those now waiting for a new power aid from Phonak, hoping for a new Naida Sphere Infinio with Up Receiver to come out?

If that’s the case then I think the only walnut Phonak needs to crack is how to provide a Naida Sphere Infinio with Up Receiver with 675 battery or enough power to function say for a week, if using back ground noise setting.

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@OKCharlie said:

For power aids why does Phonak keep going back and forth putting receiver in aid body, then change to receiver in mold. The Paradise and Lumity aids have receiver in body of hearing aid casing. Now the Audeo Sphere Infinio Up has receiver in canal. Why the ping-pong game back and forth?

There are three common form-factors for . /, , and customs (, and ). The chipsets that power these go through generational change over the years. You’ll typically see the new generation of chipsets (called the platform) available in the RICs first. They are the big sellers and 800 pound gorillas in the room, business decision-wise. BTEs and customs follow, usually in that order. The customs for a platform sometimes come out about the same time as the RICs for the next platform. Phonak and Oticon give the platforms names. Marvel, Paradise, Lumity, and Infinio for Phonak, More, Real and Intent for Oticon. Numbers are used to distinguish tech levels in each of these. Tech levels deliver more or less capability for more or less money.

Other brands have other ways to describe the differences among platforms and form-factors. It just takes time to learn, and not everyone is that interested in brands they haven’t chosen to buy.

You also asked about RIC receivers in molds. This is usually available (my audiologists prefer it) and required in the most powerful receivers. It seems many who are more severe/profound in loss prefer BTEs over RIC style aids. It can be frustrating to wait for them to come out in your preferred form-factor.

WH

Phonak names their Audeo, Naida, and customs Virto.

WH

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Thanks for breaking things down. I’m in the camp that believes the closer you position an aid receiver to the middle ear, the better you’ll hear with a power aid. But it seems Phonak (for some reason) chooses to go in a different direction with the Naida lines and put receiver in the body of a . When I see the fitting chart for the current Sphere Infinio with Up receiver, that chart range would definately match a future Naida Sphere Infinio. Perfectly. Guess we find out in the future which way Phonak goes, if Naida version comes out.

I never checked specifics about Naida, being a recent wearer (Audeo Infinio 50R). i’ve needed HAs for quite some time, due to hearing loss mostly from having middle ear infections repeatedly as a kid. I’m learning a lot in this forum, and I appreciate your info about dual receivers. Thank you!

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@OKCharlie said:

I’m in the camp that believes the closer you position an aid receiver to the middle ear, the better you’ll hear with a power aid. But it seems Phonak (for some reason) chooses to go in a different direction with the Naida lines and put receiver in the body of a HA.

It depends on the particular patient’s case. If someone has severe/profound loss and small ear canals (like children) it can be impossible to fit in their case.

It is no coincidence that the Phonak Sky line (pediatric) is very similar to Naida and has form factor.
It’s because with acrylic earmold, you need 2x 1mm thick acrylic wall and ~2mm for sound duct = 4mm. It is impossible to get things that small with RIC form factor.

Additionally, there are some adult patients whose ear canals are too small or too bendy to use UP receivers.

In reply to @Hildegard

Thanks I did forget that but that leads me next question. Would there be any beneift to say have two receives in a and then a third in ? The more the merrier? If three is over load then why not one receiver in aid casing and then second receiver in ear canal. Guessing two or more receivers some how have to be connected or tied together to function properly, versus being separated from each other.

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I hope my right ear never needs an UP receiver, because I suspect my right ear canal meets your “too small or too bendy to use UP receivers” description. But, I’d go to a if necessary - just pleeeez, not in “mannequin beige” if possible!

have had UP receivers for years and years. They are generally only available in a custom mold.

A RIC with a UP receiver is not as powerful as a UP . If there’s a very good fit into the ear canal, they can almost rival an SP BTE.

In reply to @OKCharlie

I am having trouble imagining how this would work logistically - the uses tubes, and the is a receiver at the end of a wire. The ear canal wouldn’t have room for both inputs.

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