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I recently had the Phonak Infinio 90 Bicros unit but ended up returning them. I couldn’t use them in restaurants, loud places or empty houses that would echo. I had to take them out to hear the person that was right in front of me. I did a bunch of research and figured out what the issue was and that all Bicros hearing aids have the same issue. If the cros unit doesn’t have the same technology as the non-cros unit for your ear that works, it will drown out the technology of the non bicros unit to the point of making them useless when in the environments listed above. I tried reaching Phonak which was a complete joke and went back and forth with them about it to the point that they would just gas light me. I also reached out to Starkey and all they would say is “Try it you’ll like it”. When I got to someone at Oticon, the Audiologist put an engineer on the phone with us and when I explained the situation. He said that the Oticon cros had a 6db mute available but it would not help. When I explained the whole situation above, he got it and said that this is a design flaw. What they need to do is sell you to full featured hearing aids (not a cros) and do a full program on both of them based on your needs are and then send the signal over to the functioning ear. . There is no way that the functioning hearing aid can process the cros sinfo for sound because it has no ideal where the sound is coming from. I really hope they figure this out soon

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if your weak hearing ear could understand words while using the hearing aids, yes, that’s a good option, my problem is my weak hearing ear can’t understand words, that’s why I need cros to send the signal to my other ear, the result is not perfect but it helps.

Have you ever tried the Infinio Sphere? The option doesn’t work good especially if noiae is at the side. And I say that being SSDish.

What is your percentage in left, right and ?

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I mean using only Sphere in the better ear without anything in the poorer one. For what I know, / doesn’t provide much benefits to justify resignation from denoising feature in Sphere. In addition, Infinio R (non-Sphere) with CROS will have much shorter battery life compared to Sphere.
My left ear is gone and even when I would be without in my poorer ear, I wouldn’t buy the CROS.

Have you ever considered cochlear implant in your deaf poorer ear?

I’m planning on going with one hearing aid. The bad ear has zero sound, nerve must be dead, so cochlear implants won’t work. I know the Bicros aids are a waist of time in many instances from my experience, and I hate the way audiologist market them. I was going to wait until February to see if phonak comes out with a Sphere Bicros design that works or just by one.

@New_Ears1 said:

I was going to wait until February to see if phonak comes out with a Sphere Bicros design that works or just by one.

I am in high doubt because of battery life. Sphere can works even over 30 hrs and shorter in case of using program. Infinio R + works maximum 16h…

In Feb (or, more probably in Spring) there is possibility of release Naida Sphere - perhaps it would be more appropriate for your hearing loss.

@New_Ears1 said:

The bad ear has zero sound, nerve must be dead, so cochlear implants won’t work.

Who had told this to you? What’s the cause of hearing loss in that side? I ask, because in the past there were very common very lazy explanation of deafness by “hearing nerve damage” even it was untrue. Main cause of deafness is damage of the cochlea, which is fully treatable by a cochlea prosthesis, which is .

It is highly probable that you have assumptions based of inaccurate and untrue informations about your hearing.

no,cochlear implant is better for children, cause they have plenty of time to learn what the sound means, but I’m already 30 year old, I don’t think my brain could do that too.

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but I’m already 30 year old, I don’t think my brain could do that too.

It isn’t true, there are people in their retirement age who receive after many years of unilateral deafness with good results.

The most difficult part in case of unilaterals (mine included) is there is necessity of train only CI side, isolated from the better ear. With streaming it is much easier than in the past.

may give benefits in quiet situations, when someone speaks on the CROS side. In another situations, especially in noise, people rather haven’t get much benefits which wouldn’t justify the cost and the shorter battery life.

Out of curiosity - what do you expect from technology, which in particular could be better in your opinion?

You’ll do what you want, but I honestly warn you that the longer the deafness, the more difficult it can be to rehabilitate after this period. The vast majority of users regret postponing their CI, as in the meantime, they missed many situations and life chances that they could have used with CI, but they didn’t hear well enough, so they couldn’t.

Being in your 30s means there will be many situations where better hearing simply means a happier life. I speak from the perspective of someone who is 36 years old.

To be honest, I don’t really do research about Cochlear Implant, one thing I know if that people could see the device and second I watched some videos that people still have to learn the sound from the cochlear implant, I’m not sure if I could accept that.

@tjp3wk4iu said:

one thing I know if that people could see the device

Depending on your hair length, many wear it without any hesitation, even when they are bald, because better hearing and functioning are more important than someone’s opinion.

It’s also a good filter which people you shouldn’t be interested, although I have almost never heard any malicious comments on that issue from anyone.

Sound is not ideal, but I am after music school, and it doesn’t bother me at all. It even makes the sound quality better when I play with my instrument. And I say that being in position when I can compare signal from the and the better ear.

If CI would be that bad as you watched about “still learning” why many people wear it and don’t put it into the drawer?

I recommend “Cochlear Implant experiences” group in Facebook.

I don’t know what about healthcare refund in your region, what job you have, etc. but CI is simply chance to get better life without almost nothing to lose.

@New_Ears1 said:

I did a bunch of research and figured out what the issue was and that all Bicros hearing aids have the same issue.

Hi New_Ears1,

I have Signia Pure Charge & Go 7 (can be set to cross or bicros) and had the same problem as you in restaurants & loud places. The audioligist made a setting (program?) that I can choose by pressing a button on one of the devices which completely eliminated the problem- but left bicros working.

That setting picks out speech or music and minimizes noise. The devices also follow a speaker who is moving about without me having to face that person.

I guess I’m writing to say don’t automatically give up on bicros if that is what is most appropriate for your needs. Perhaps discuss programming adjustments with the audiologist.

Hope You Get Happy Hearing Soon!
Paul

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Mentioned was that children benefit- implying adults won’t.

@tjp3wk4iu said:

no,cochlear implant is better for children, cause they have plenty of time to learn what the sound means, but I’m already 30 year old, I don’t think my brain could do that too.

Your brain, and possibly ears, will pick new nerves to use to transmit sounds to the brain when you have hearing aid devices. The neurotologist and neurologist simplified by saying “new neuropathways” are developed.

It’s not just for children. I’m ancient and it worked for me. (Hearing aids, not cochlear.) The downside is that, as new neuropathways are developed, you will need the programming adjusted periodically because things will start sounding odd. (tinny, too sharp, too loud…)

Paul

you mean actually I could use hearing aids for my both ears instead of cros hearing aid ?

ummm I probably would try next time cause I already bought signia pure C&G 7ix + cros.

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