Yes great tip. I don’t use that feature much because the right and left controls are separate rather than combined requiring twice the clicks to make changes.
Any idea how to combine them into one control like the phone apps?
And talking about Apple, why do they now have to announce that “this call is being transcribed” when you use the Accessibility Live Captions. I now have to explain to everyone I talk to that I am hard of hearing and need to use the transcription.
Phonak clearly wants to make their products better and easier to use. And they already have a robust Apple iPhone app to make their hearing aids more useful and desirable. My question is just why not also have an Apple Watch app to go with the iPhone app? Sure, it requires some effort and investment, but for many users (including myself), it would make the that much more useful. But, I’m not an Apple Watch app developer or a Phonak engineer, so I don’t know if there’s a technical (as opposed to marketing) reason for not having an Apple Watch app. As others have pointed out, other HA manufacturers have such apps (but, the other HAs use MFI bluetooth technology, so maybe that’s a roadblock for Phonak). I just want to know if there’s any chance an Apple Watch app will ever be forthcoming
One thing I considered on this matter is that the LE connections for the app are pretty grabby. If you have the app on two devices & set up to manage a pair of aids, the first one to grab the “wins” and the other won’t have access until you force quit the other app, or it sleeps if you do not have “stay connected” enabled. If you created the watch app, people would be upset that “it doesn’t work” because it can never or rarely connect on the watch. Or connections “take too long” to establish.
I wanted to share an interesting exchange I had with Phonak tech support recently. It seems like Phonak didn’t understand WHY an Apple Watch app would be useful. I explained that it would be great to be able to change programs without having to take out my iPhone. Changing programs with my button isn’t optimal, since I often have to cycle through several programs to reach the program that I want. In particular, I often want to enter or exit the TV connection program quickly. Does anyone else have the same interest in a Phonak Apple Watch app, or a different one?
Count me in/interested. I have phonak i90 sphere and would love to have an Apple watch app to control them quickly and efficiently. I previously trialed Resound Nexia HAs and liked having this feature.
I’ll try to explain why in a (hopefully) simple way:
(Made for iPhone) utilize Apple’s Accessibility API (Application Programming Interface). These HAs connect (pair) to iOS, and the HA app manages the aids through the operating system (there are a few exceptions where the app sends information directly to the aids, such as firmware updates). iOS and WatchOS are closely integrated. MFi aids don’t need the HAs app to manage most functions.
What does this mean:
Most apps on WatchOS are just “remote controls” of the apps on the iPhone. Very few apps are full apps. THis is done to maximize battery. This is very tightly controlled by Apple.
This also means the WatchOS HAs app does not control the aids directly. If your iPhone is off (or far away), the WatchOS HA app won’t work. If you increase the HA volume from your watch, that instruction is sent to IOS and IOS sends the signal to your phone.
What happens when the HA is not MFi: It cannot use Apple’s API. In this case (Phonak’s), there is a bluetooth connection and the app manages the aids directly, not through IOS and the Watch is not automatically receiving HA data. This is why you cannot manage Phonak aids from the IOS Accessability settings menu.
The only way for Phonak to have a WatchOS app:
(1)They aids have to be connected via classic to the watch.
(2) Phonak has to write a full app, just like the one on the iPhone, to manage the HAs.
(3) The WatchOS <=> HA BT connection and the IOS <=> HA BT connection is separate, I don’t know if phonak allows two devices to control the aids at the same time.
Since the Phonak full app has to run on the Watch, this consumes significant amounts of battery and it is unlikely that Apple would allow this.
Apple and Phonak are working on . Once both platforms enable that, Phonak’s should be able to use Apple’s API and the WatchOS app can be added without much work.
I’m not an Apple developer but I have worked with APIs before (many moons ago).
As an example, say someone starts playing music to their regular Bluetooth headset via the music app on the iPhone. Then they control the volume on their Apple Watch.
The Apple Watch will just talk to the iPhone to adjust the volume. It won’t talk to the headset directly.
The same is true for all existing Apple Watch apps from other hearing aid manufacturers. They never connect directly to the hearing aids. Everything goes through the phone.
There is no reason why Phonak couldn’t do that as well.
As an example, say someone starts playing music to their regular Bluetooth headset via the music app on the iPhone. Then they control the volume on their Apple Watch.
That’s because the volume can be managed from the music app. You can control the volume of the Phonak when streaming music just like any headphone. Are you suggesting Phonaks can’t do this today? (may I misunderstood).
That is not correct.
You can connect Phonak’s HAs directly to your Apple Watch, turn your phone off and and stream music (Apple Music, Spotify) to your aids without your phone. I do this at the gym all the time. See pics below that show (1) Phonak connected to my Watch (2) Music program shows direct connect to the HA.
The same is true for all existing Apple Watch apps from other hearing aid manufacturers. They never connect directly to the hearing aids. Everything goes through the phone
Isn’t that what I said regarding HAs? (Pretty much all HAs that have ).
Phonaks and Signia BCT can connect directly to the Watch because they use classic (unlike the other HA aids from major brands), they don’t have to be managed via the phone as you claim.
There is no reason why Phonak couldn’t do that as well.
(1) Why invest money on that when BLEA is arriving soon (as I explained)?
(2) Phonak uses bluetooth classic for “external connections” but the app manages the aids functions using bluetooth LE. Apple requires that BT LE is managed via IOS, not directly from the app. A watch app would need to send BLE functions via the OS and I am sure that Apple will need to approve that. Too much hassle when a new better solution is coming.
Too many expensive accessories here. Apple Watch costs what - $400? And if you buy the Apple Watch, you then can’t afford the Rodger on 3 for say $1,500. Which has been overpriced/over hyped for years. Honestly, ’s other than over the counter are expensive and, as we all know (in most cases), not covered by insurance.
Unless you are like me, i spend too much money in gadgets/toys
There are some fantastic deals on accessories on eBay. I recently bought a Widex Sound Assist (Widex version of the Roger table mic) for $40. The worst thing is: I don’t need it ,
My point is simply that there are no compelling technical reasons why Phonak can’t provide a watch app.
Phonak provides an iPhone app, and I’m sure Apple provides a mature API for a Watch app to communicate with the corresponding iPhone app. This has nothing to do with MFI or BLEA or Bluetooth classic.
My music example was probably more confusing rather than helpful, because the music app does indeed allow direct connectivity from the Watch to a Bluetooth audio device.
I think you also confuse how the iPhone OS treats , which can be handled directly by apps. The user just needs to allow the app to use Bluetooth.
Yes there’s warranty available from eBay,it’s a extra cost plus if you pay by PayPal you get that as well, obviously when you buy something this cheap hardly worth bothering about, just throw it away and get another.