AutoSense - music mode- Phonak Audeo Infinio Ultra Sphere

Back to @Eleinor’s original complaint: Autosense switches to Music mode when it shouldn’t!

I can 100% confirm that this is happening and it’s as annoying as @Eleinor describes it.

There are different sources of noise that Autosense doesn’t classify correctly and considers ‘Music’. It then switches to Music mode which turns noise suppression off, and now the noise becomes even louder.

This is very reproducible: for me this happens when I use our kettle to heat up water, when I use my electric toothbrush and when I use our electric lawn mower.

Unfortunately, with Infinio I90s, there is no option in Target to remove the Music program from Autosense.

I’m thinking of doing the following:

a) Create a new, manually activated Music program in Target. This should be an independent program not linked to the Music program that’s part of Autosense
b) Modify the settings of the Autosense Music program so that it’s identical to the ‘Comfort in Noise’ program.

This way, when Autosense falsely switches to the Music program it will sound like ‘Comfort in Noise’ to me. When I really need the Music program I have to enable it manually.

@wtolkien said:

a) Create a new, manually activated Music program in Target. This should be an independent program not linked to the Music program that’s part of Autosense
b) Modify the settings of the Autosense Music program so that it’s identical to the ‘Comfort in Noise’ program.

That seems like a good way to accomplish what the OP wants.

@platypus said:

In Target, go to the fine-tuning section and MPO & Gains. Choose the program you wish to adjust (eg Music).

Yes, I have tried doing that, but it isn’t quite that straight forward. Target has already decided what the curve should be based on the fitting rationale chosen, and trying to make significant adjustments to that is not as straight forward as just adjusting the gain in the various frequency bands, as the compression ratio is also having an effect on things. Altering one band and change the settings of the nearby bands as well. It would be much better if I could pick a different fitting method that is more suited for music to start with, as apparently can be done with the Oticon software. I’ll keep trying to work with Target though.

@wtolkien said:

I’m thinking of doing the following:

a) Create a new, manually activated Music program in Target. This should be an independent program not linked to the Music program that’s part of Autosense
b) Modify the settings of the Autosense Music program so that it’s identical to the ‘Comfort in Noise’ program.

This way, when Autosense falsely switches to the Music program it will sound like ‘Comfort in Noise’ to me. When I really need the Music program I have to enable it manually.

Why bother, just turn down the autosense sensitivity in Target so it doesn’t trigger.

Target already has a manual music program, which you can add.

Best solution is turn off that NONsense, altogether! Just use your default general program, and select the manual program you want when you want, not when Phonak wants.

@wtolkien said:

Autosense sensitivity only affects how long it takes until the HAs switch to a different program. It doesn’t change that Autosense thinks certain noise is music.

It’s also a global setting. If I increase the switchover time, it affects all programs. I don’t want that.

OK, gotcha, I haven’t used Phonaks for a long time, so maybe mis-informed, sorry ‘bout that!

Can you just disable Autosense? That would be the best solution, right?

No you can’t, but you can change the start up program to something else.

My man, that’s just NONSENSE!!

So if you change the start program, is NONsense still gonna kick in, or does it more or less disappear into the ether?

@tenkan said:

but yeah it was the main reason I gave up on Phonak,I hated “NONSENSE” it never got the right program to switch into…

Exactly. I had the Oticon OPN, and my audi suggested the Marvel because I use android, and like to DIY. I stuck it out for 3 months witgh all the accessories (VA), but could not hack it.

They switched me back to the OPN S, and I gladly hooked up my ConnectClip!! Been an Oticonian since.

@wtolkien said:

So it’s a premium feature that it automatically gets it wrong on the 70/90 levels, and that you can’t disable it!

I love it! A premium feature you can’t disable. I guess that fits Sonova’s paradigm, like no LE Audio/Auracast, because they don’t think it’s ready for prime time.