Debate - Oticon Reveal vs Phonak EON

Whichever device meets your specific needs and preferences. No single device is suitable for everyone.

I currently have auticon hearing aid but are unsatisfied with the Bluetooth feature and reliability. It is time to replace the 5 year old hearing aid and want to get a more reliable pair.

Thank you. I will heed your advice but will trial the Oticon Reveals when I hand back the Spheres next week.

@glucas said:

Yes. I am lucky enough to wear Infinio Spheres and Intents. In really challenging environments the Spheres with it’s noise DNN and beamforming is superior in very loud noise.

Does Oticon works better in quiet/relatively quiet conditions due to its better high frequency gain? You tested UP vs. 105 receivers with what vent?

I think in quiet situations my preference is for the Oticon. It is very difficult to be completely sure, but my view is that in quiet situations the performance of both aids is very similar. However if it were just quiet situations my preference would be for the Oticons, as it has a nicer, rounder sound.

In terms of high frequency gain I think I said on here that the Oticon appears more stable, especially in noise, whereas with the Phonaks, I did experience a loss of gain when in the speech in noise program. However, this was a programming issue, and I have since boosted the gain.

I wear 105dB receivers with a tiny vent, perhaps 1mm.

@glucas said:

The key takeaway for me, if you want to draw a significant comparison is that the Oticon is more open which is a big disadvantage in narrow band conversations as noise will filter through.

But you had small vent? I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

The Oticons do not employ narrow beamforming. Even in the speech in noise program, the focus is still fairly wide and not narrow, which means noise is coming in from the sides. Unwanted noise in my case.

I am im better situation, because I have relatively better hearing, so, for example, I have omnidirectional mics due to motion sensor when walking along busy streets ans hear quite good despite that wider mics setting. And that with ordinary Speechbin Noise, not Spheric Speech in Loud Noise.

So maybe, for persons with relatively good SNR loss, but with necessity for more amplification in 2-4 kHz Oticon couldnbe helpful. And I write that as Phonakian from ~2013 😅

@Fontez, My audiogram is similar to yours and I have gone from the Oticon Intent 1s to the Reveal 1s. I posted first impressions elsewhere in the form here.

In brief, I can notice an improvement in understanding people in noisy situations as voices are a little clearer and more pronounced. The noise, however is not much different than with the Intent 1s and you need to be able to ignore and focus on the voices. If you wish for greater noise reduction, you might be well served trying out the new Phonak Audio EON Spheres as Phonak seems to be focused in reducing noise as much as possible and they are getting good reviews on this. That's not to say that the Reveals are bad in noise... just that philosophically, Oticon handles the issue differently than Phonak. Oticon believes that the brain needs the added sound (some element of surrounding noise) to understand your surroundings.

Having said that, I am sticking with the Reveal 1s for a number of reasons and primarily I am able to deal with noisy situations pretty effectively with the Reveal's so I'm happy with them. I also bought them with an insurance benefit that is now expired and I am invested in the Oticon brand with Intent 1 as backups, chargers, tv streamers, etc. as well as some DIY.

Connectivity with the Reveals is excellent (MFI, Auracast, Bluetooth LE Audio and Telecoil) and I understand that the Phonak does not have the TeleCoil. I should also add that if you are an iPhone user, MFI is better integrated into the iOS than Bluetooth including automatic handover between Apple devices, MAC, iPhone and iPad.

Either way, the best way to tell which are better for you is to try them out...

Best of luck.

ok,thanks for your answer., but you like oticon reveal, or prefer older oticon intent 1?
Are they just small, imperceptible improvements?

For me they sound different enough to make a noticeable improvement. Now that its been 3 weeks I much prefer the Reveals to the Intents.

One small thing I did not mention before is that there are some sounds that I did not hear with the Intents that I do now hear with the Reveals such as some car chimes.

I've just made it possible to tag users who own a product. Testing that works now. @Oticon Reveal @Phonak Audéo EON (you can disable in your settings)