ReSound Enzo 3D vs Oticon Xceed

@PM0986 said:

The way I see it, it should have newer technology in it

Yes - preferably you want to go with “newer” technology" but trial both. You could test Resound for Oct./Nov. and then test Xceed Nov./Dec. In many many cases HA manufacturers claim “new this - new that” when new HA brands first come out. In reality these new HA are really not that different from the previous - older versions. In many ways “its false advertising” but the game has been played for years. Oticon claims Xceed reduces “wind noise/feed back” which every other HA manufacturer claims. You don’t buy a HA because it reduces wind noise and feed back. You buy for better hearing and “new technology” which Xceed might have and might not have.

Hi lostdeaf, thanks for replying.
I’ve read your reviews on the Xceed, I know you mentioned it had less power than the Dynamo hearing aid you had, which is surprising. This is exactly why I am researching before commiting.

It seems like we have a very similar hearing loss, in your opinion what is the best current HA for you?

It’s answer from Oticon Denmark:

I used the audio you provided, thank you!
Please refer to the document attached.
I initially entered the Bone conduction values for only the left ear in Genie 2 (so you can see how that translated into differences in the prescription in the lows between the 2 ears). Both Genie 2017 and Genie 2 try to take a seemingly air-bone gap into account in the low frequencies for both SP and Dynamo and add gain up to 750 Hz; (I compared all 3 devices but it’s a closer ‘comparison’ with Dynamo 143/82 BW 100-6500 and Xceed SP, 143/83 and BW 100-6500, also same battery size). Both were set to the default rationale of DSE.

I also see that the peak of the response in Xceed is between 1500-2K, while with Dynamo its closer to 1-1500 Hz. Of course the inside hardware, ie, the receivers are different between the 2 different product families. Xceed wasn’t developed to be a copy of the Dynamo response, and of course with OpenSound Optimizer, there should be more headroom too and the slightly higher MPO’s in Xceed reflect that, as well as the extra gain for soft inputs.

Your question was: “XCEED SP and UP prescribes less amplification in midtones compared to DYNAMO SP for same customer with profound hearing loss.” my findings don’t support that:
At 1K, there is a slight difference in prescribed gain:
At 1K, Dynamo prescribed MPO of 134, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 53/59/65
At 1K, Xceed SP prescribed MPO of 138, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 50/57/61

At 1.5, more gain for SOFT with Xceed SP:
At 1.5K, Dynamo prescribed MPO of 129, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 57/63/63
At 1.5K, Xceed SP prescribed MPO of 130, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 57/64/70

At 2K, Xceed offers a higher MPO and gain for all 3 input levels:
At 2K, Dynamo prescribed MPO of 126, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 57/57/57
At 2K, Xceed SP prescribed MPO of 136, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 63/65/65

You also noted:” XCEED gives more amplification than Dynamo only on LOW freqs”; yes that seems to be true

At 250 Hz, Dynamo prescribed MPO of 117, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 26/32/37
At 250 Hz, Xceed SP prescribed MPO of 127, and gain for loud/mod/soft as 32/38/44

Overall, the curves of Dynamo and Xceed SP are different due to different receivers, even with the same rationale applied (DSE); Xceed offers the availability of additional gain due to OSO esp in the mid freqs. The extra fitting bands in Xceed should offer a bit more fitting flexibility. Real ear measurements might reflect if the differences in the peaks/freq response of the products result in notable differences in the patient’s ear.
I’m not sure if I’ve fully responded to your concerns; I know it’s hard to compare old and new products, even if they look similar on paper or not. If I get any additional info from colleagues in Denmark I will share that as soon as possible!

lostdeaf, thank you for posting.
It seems like Oticon views the Xceed to be more powerful than the previous generation models. At least on paper.

Now regarding Enzo 3D vs Xceed:
I emailed a few audiologists regarding Xceed vs Enzo 3D, I was told by four of them that Xceed power matrix is actually higher than Enzo.

Here is a quote from a detailed response:

"Thank you for contacting us regarding Resound Enzo 3D vs Oticon Xceed.

I am comparing the Matrix for both manufacturers’ power hearing aids, and the Xceed has more power.

Specifically the matrix for the Oticon Xceed BTEs are

SP is 139 dB SPL Peak power / 79 dB peak gain

UP is 142 dB SPL Peak Power / 83 dB peak gain

The Enzo 3D matrix

High Power 132 dB SPL Peak Power / 73 dB peak gain.

Super power 141 dB SPL Peak Power / 83 dB peak gain.

I think the “ wiggle room” is greater with the Xceed and most likely has more power than we would use."

This is a relief for me as it makes my decision much easier. Xceed is a brand new model, newer circuit, hopefully better/updated technology, possibly longer service/repair window?

Hope this helps.

@PM0986 said:

This is a relief for me as it makes my decision much easier. Xceed is a brand new model, newer circuit, hopefully better/updated technology, possibly longer service/repair window?

Let us know when you trial the Xceed and “cost” you were quoted. I need to research Oticon new power aid but assume its offered with either size 13 battery or possibly 675 battery. To me “bigger the battery the better”. I’ll also be interested to read how your Exceed HA performed in “noisy situations”, since I tend to believe power aids have more difficulty cutting off background noise versus HA’s made for mild to mid-range hearing loss. And have to wonder why many times new HA’s seem to be offered in Europe first and then down the road in the U.S.? The delay to me seems unnecessary but on the plus side new users in U.S. have to opportunity to see how HA performed (good/bad) by European users.