Oticon Genie 2 Questions

Actually I try to not mess with the Fine Tuning → Gains Control at all, for the exact reason that you mentioned, it’s like pure experimentation / wild shots in the dark. Maybe a couple of times is OK. But several times is exhausting and you can find yourself running in circles. I didn’t learn this from experience through wild goose chases. I just intuitively told myself to stay away from that can of worms.

Because I self program, I forgo the luxury of being able to have REM done, which is OK by me. So I rely on the in-situ audiometry feature to re-measure my threshold hearings using the actual hearing aids I wear which should be more accurate than the initial one done in the booth by the HCP. So I re-prescribe the gains from my in-situ audiometry result to be more accurate. By the way, you can also compare side by side your original audiogram vs the in-situ result to see how far off you are.

Anyway, the reason I mention the in-situ re-prescription is that instead of making the Gain Controls adjustments in the Fine Tuning section which is exhausting and can be futile at times unless it’s just a minor tweak or two with good results, I use my in-situ data to adjust instead and let Genie 2 re-prescribe. For example, if I feel like I need to boost some lows, instead of tweaking the several handles in Fine Tuning → Gain Controls, I just increase the threshold values in my in-situ result at the frequency(ies) I want a notch or so, then let Genie 2 re-prescribe. That way, the small adjustment I make via the in-situ manifests itself through the re-prescription to all aspects of the Gain Controls in Fine Tuning, from Soft to Medium to Loud areas altogether at once.

Same with going the reverse, I reduce the threshold in in-situ to reduce the gain through re-prescription.

Below is a screenshot of my in-situ page. As you can see, I decided to give up on amplifying from 4 KHz and up because all I hear are the buzzing mechanical sounds of the receivers, so I decide to not amplify them at all, and just use frequency lowering to hear sounds in those ranges. So in the in-situ audiogram, I just lower the thresholds for those 3 data points at 4, 6 and 8 KHz to the lowest values allowed. As a result, you can see on my gain curves on the second screenshot that I no longer have amplification in that range (the gray vertical source bands), but instead, frequency lowering moves the sounds in that gray band down to the red/blue destination bands for me instead.

You can also see that my original audiogram shows lower thresholds in the lower frequency range up to 500 or 1 KHz. But in-situ says that I need higher thresholds in that low area for both ears, so that’s how I’d make the change in my Gain Controls to automatically happen, via the gain re-prescription based on the in-situ data.

Is there a way to experiment with the in-situ audiogram without messing with my REM and settings? Is my REM saved into my filed profile? Could I build an alternate profile with which to experiment in-situ and be able to load back my original profile with REM if I want to?

Try saving your settings first.

The in-situ re-prescription would probably mess up your REM adjustments for sure if the REM was done manually using REM equipment outside of Genie 2.

If REM was done using the Genie 2 REM Autofit feature then maybe there’s some smart in there to retain the REM adjustment on in-situ re-prescription although I’d have not idea on this. Only your HCP can answer this.

But in-situ re-prescription should only change the gain curves and should not mess with other settings you already have, although I’d check for the Sound Controls settings and the Power Bass settings to see if they’ve changed. If you have Speech Rescue turned on (I assume you don’t), then Genie 2 will ask if you want the re-prescription to recalculate the Speech Rescue configuration as well.

I’d say for initial experimentation, it’d be cleanest to just build a brand new profile to start out from scratch, then do the in-situ and re-prescribe and see what your simulated gain curve looks like compared to your target gain curve. You can also now compare this new profile side by side with the original profile done with REM to see how they compare. You can also load either of the profiles into your HAs to see which one you prefer.

Good for you to try and help yourself.

I believe changing the fitting algorithm might help you.
Worth a try.

thanks for info. audi definitely said analog.

I assume that you’re going to download Genie 2 and if no interface hardware, still are going to go into simulation so you can browse around and see for yourself that there are no internally built-in program in Genie 2 called “Analog”. It’s possible that the audi was referring to the Music program and “redubbed” it “analog” to convey to you that here’s a built-in program that has minimal processing, similar to an analog program. After all, the Oticon HAs are all digital HAs.

So have you tried this “analog” program set by your audi to see if it helps with speech distortion?

@awilst said:

audi does not seem interested…

This is not unusual, you could just find another one who is…maybe

@awilst said:

the genie program looks like it has capacity to tweek fittings by frequency, & possibly address/reduce my problem

Genie can and does have full access to all the adjustments available, so yes this is going to help.

@awilst said:

dont know enough about fitting hearing aids to reach conclusion.

Time for DIY for you, it’s pretty easy you don’t need a degree to do it, there’s plenty of people from right here on hearingtracker that can help you do this, use the search button at the top of the page and search the DIY. All you need is the programming device (Noahlink wireless) and Genie software.

Check your PM.

Good luck.

thanks for reply.
what interface connector do you suggest I get, to be able to use genie on windows 10 laptop & interface with oticon exceed hearing aid?
I have already downloaded genie & looked at it, trying to understand how to use it.
As far as the 2nd program (analog??) the audi set up , its a marginal improvement.
does oticon have any on line help that might assist me?
not to happy with my va audiologst performance.

You’ll need the Noahlink Wireless.

Note: there are other Noahlink but you need to make sure you get the wireless Noahlink.

The More is a miniRITE type hearing aids so you don’t/can’t open the case completely, nor do you want to mess around with anything inside to clean anyway. If you get the disposable battery version (which is supposed to come out soon), then you can only open the battery door to replace the battery. The “speakers” (normally known as receivers in HA terminology) don’t need to be changed unless they go bad, and they can be replaced easily by unhooking their wires from the HA casing.

Rechargable Lithium-ion HAs are becoming more and more popular, but usually HA mfgs do offer the disposable battery version for them as well, depending on who the mfgs are. My personal opinion is to go with the rechargeable Lithium-ion system, but many others still prefer the disposable battery version.

I am considering buying Oticon Real 1 HA’s…I have a DIY obsession deeply ingrained 4 all of 80+ years…Can anyone guide me to Oticon’s Genie 2 2023 download…Mac or PC …I have a Noahlink… I would appreciate the help…Thanks

Hi there, sure no problem, do read up on the user guide as well, very handy for setting up the first time.

Good morning all.
I am currently on the second week of trialing the Oticon Real 1.
I have read over some of the literature regarding self programming, specific to the Oticons, in the DIY section. I’m thinking that fine tuning the hearing aids at home, should I decide to keep them would be of some benefit.
Taking the next step would entail purchasing the Noahlink Wireless hardware but prior to doing that I wouldn’t mind having a peek at the Genie 2 software to see if this is something I would like to pursue.
If someone could “pay it forward” that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.