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In reply to @ubabopepton

@ubabopepton said:

At first, I tried to set up the highest noise reduction in an easy and challenging environment. It was very comfortable, but the sounds were not very clear and not natural. After a few days of trial, I re-adjust, finding my setting for the noise reduction.

This is an interesting data point to learn from another user’s perspective. Technically, according to the Genie 2 Help menu, the Neural Noise Suppression setting is supposed to be for the Max value only, and the More is supposed to know how to apply the appropriate amount, not always applying the Max value, but judiciously applying only enough, up to the Max value as necessary.

So there was always a question I had as to why Oticon doesn’t just always set the Max value that’s appropriate for the corresponding Tier 1, 2 or 3 as the default value then?; if what they say is true that they have the smart inside to judge how much noise suppression to use and only use enough up to the Max, but never more than necessary. But instead they seem to be very shy about always setting the default Max value in Genie 2 despite how they explain it.

My take based on @ubabopepton 's comment here then is that maybe whatever value Oticon deems as appropriately necessary to apply for noise reduction may not always match with what people would like to see because they may want to have more details retained than what Oticon takes away in the name of Neural Noise Reduction. Ideally, I think it’d be better if Oticon just set the default Max value to whatever max is associated with the Tier and not give it as a choice for users to set, but instead give them a choice to have Weak, Moderate or Aggressive Neural Noise Suppression, and apply the amount of Neural Noise Suppression as appropriately necessary like usual, but factor in the flavor (Weak/Moderate/or Aggressive) as selected by the user. This would be a better and more easily understood way to implement Neural Noise Suppression than by giving users control of the Max value.

In reply to @Volusiano

Hello Volusiano,

Yes, I’ve updated Genie 2 as the most updated version and for the Firmware, I believe that it is the most updated. Yes, it has more functions for Streaming Equalizer on the app but it only works when the music is streaming, I think. If I am wrong, please educate me.

I compared with other settings for the music listening from speakers. Definitely the music setting, it’s really helpful to hear more in detailed sounds. Also when I listen to podcasts through streaming, it’s better sound quality if I adjust EQ a little bit.

In reply to @Volusiano

thanks for the this information. Actually I was wondering about the noise reduction part.

I feel like I haven’t tried the maximum noise setting for a long time period because due to the silly perspective of mind I felt like it would get rid of all the detailed sounds and I stop using maximum setting after a few hours. Now I am setting as maximum because I want to really try with very open-objective mind-set. I will update you in a few days.

Thanks

In reply to @ubabopepton

Well, my understanding is that MyMusic is not just for streaming, but also for listening to live music, or recorded music via a speaker-based sound system.

It’s not the same as the built-in Music program. Once you’ve updated Genie 2 to 2021.2 and updated the firmware on your More 1, when you go to Genie 2, under the Program Manager, when you pull down on the program menu, you’ll see a MyMusic program. You’ll need to select this and assign it to one of the 4 programs and exit the session. Then you can try it out by selecting the program which you assign MyMusic to.

In reply to @ubabopepton

@ubabopepton said:

I feel like I haven’t tried the maximum noise setting for a long time period because due to the silly perspective of mind I felt like it would get rid of all the detailed sounds and I stop using maximum setting after a few hours. Now I am setting as maximum because I want to really try with very open-objective mind-set. I will update you in a few days.

Yeah, I think that’s the wrong impression that Genie 2, the way it’s setup, is giving to people who use it. It makes you think that if you choose the higher values, that it will always apply that value no matter what. But that’s not true. It’s only the Max value, as explained in the screenshot below by the Genie 2 online help:

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In reply to @Volusiano

Thanks for the detail information. Yes it makes sense. I want to try a few days to see how it works.
Also, I’ve changed the setting for ‘sound enhancer’ into higher setting from “balanced” into “detail” AND for Virtual outer ear setting from Balance to “Aware”.

Thanks for the all information and I really appreciated. I will try very objectively with open-mind for a few days under the very different surroundings and let you know. Thanks

In reply to @ubabopepton

@ubabopepton said:

Secondly, my audiologist couldn’t arrange for the MORE 1 hearing aids -test trial initially, even I asked him a few times. That’s why I ordered online at a reasonable price. I’ve sent my OPN 1 information to the online seller (Audiologist), and he set it up before sending it to me. Anyhow, I’m happy with it.

Glad to hear that you’re happy with the Mores. I admire your courage to take on the task of self-programming. Where did you buy from?

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UPDATE- after trying different setting for MoreSound Intelligence and MyMusic (new program)

My initial setting was

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I’ve tested with different settings (Aware+Neural noise suppression easy - different setting) +/- (Detail/Balanced +neural noise suppression change)

First of all, when I set up as maximum of noise suppression for easy and difficult, I could hear comfortable sound and no noise at all. Also, I could feel my ear was just a little bit stuffy kind of feeling. However, when I tried to watch the movie or TV, the narrations were not very articulated. I missed a few words due to the substantial noise reduction. However, going out and spending time at the market or mall, the sound was very comforting and had no sharpness at all. (Coming with the conversation in the noisy environment made me feel comforted due to the noise reduction, but clarity was gone. That was a huge sacrifice to me. All of sudden, “b” and “d” sounds were not very articulated… )

After that, I’ve changed to different settings.
When I had “Aware - Virtual outer ear” + “Detail - sound enhancer” along with default neural noise suppression for easy and difficult, the sound was too sharp, especially when I had to hear a woman’s voice. It wasn’t very pleasant. Also, watching the TV- Movie comes with too much noise over the narration from actors.

Conclusion. (1) It was a good trial for me to find out what it is and what I can do better in the future. I want to keep the initial setting. However, if there is a problem with sounds regarding detail/subtle parts, I would adjust a little more to get better outcomes.
(2) Neural noise suppression is excellent for people who dislike sharp sounds but prefer comforting sounds. However, I like clarity and a clear voice to understand better and not to miss any parts. That’s why I’ve kept the default setting, which is “0” as easy and “8” as difficult.
(3) My music. I loved the new updates, and the sounds of the music were very nice. However, I felt like the clarity of the sound (treble) was missing. After increasing a few Treble parts, I found the sound that I was looking for. (before, I always set up my HiFi system as flat on the EQ)

Bottom-line is, I think it’s very educational to have different settings and find the most effective and comfortable sound options.

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Hello,
Later I realized that the word from upper parts seemed not very organized. That’s why I’ve summarized again as below.

The more I increase the noise suppression, the more I lose the sharpness and clarity. However, the sound is comforting even though I can feel a little bit of ear-fullness when I stay in the quiet area.
That’s why I kept the default setting from the initial adjustment, which is ‘No Neural Noise Suppression’ on the easy environment and ‘Middle noise suppression(8db)’ on the difficult environment, for now.

When I adjust to the higher setting of the Virtual outer ear from “balanced” to “aware,” the high-frequency sounds have some noise a little bit but have better sharpness and clarity. However, the downside of the ‘aware’ setting is that the noise around the high frequency makes me a little bit less focused. Because suddenly, I feel like I catch too much emphasized the ‘sh’ sound from whole sentences. That’s why I’ve kept it as “balanced” because it’s the convenient and better compromising option for me to get the optimum directional sound.

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For the sound enhancer, this is the part I had been working on to find my best setting. When I make a "detail’ sound enhancer with the highest noise reduction (10db), I can hear more comfortably in the mid-difficult surrounding, and there is no loss for the dialogue. However, when I expose to difficult surroundings such as lots of noise from all directions, even from the ceiling, it makes me feel overwhelmed. I can hear the sentence, but I am easily distracted due to the too much noise. But, when I set up middle noise reduction(8db) with a balanced-sound enhancer, I can hear and pay attention to the conversation without any distractions. Unfortunately, I lose the variety of sounds a little bit.

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I’ve changed a bit of environment configuration along with the above setting again, but I can’t feel any difference. That’s why I do not play with environment configuration.

Therefore, depending on the hearing loss, I think noise reduction would be beneficial, I think. However, like me, who has hearing loss around high-frequency, clarity and sharpness are primary parts of having a better understanding.

I’ve attached the info from the OTICON-Study.

Below is what the Oticon whitepaper says about the Sound Enhancer. It basically lets the user add some personal customization to the max effect of noise suppression.

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I don’t like admitting it, but I don’t understand all the ins and outs of More’s fitting settings. Seems like every time you select an option in one place, there’s either a fine tuner that can negate what you’ve just chosen, or there’s a parameter further down the road that does the same.:slightly_frowning_face:

I would stand a much better chance of optimizing my More1s if I had a Windows computer on which I could play about. I could then have coherent notes to take to my audiology appointments.

That’s why I’m sincere when I offer my thanks to members who take the time to explain, debate, and clarify the inner workings of my getup. [For anyone who’s looking for more education, the AudiologyOnline courses are great!]

In reply to @SpudGunner

@SpudGunner said:

I would stand a much better chance of optimizing my More1s if I had a Windows computer on which I could play about. I could then have coherent notes to take to my audiology appointments.

I’m sure we’ve had this conversation b4, but don’t you have a mac?
Can’t you run windows virtual machine, if you do have a mac.
You could then install Genie 2, and run it in Simulate mode without having to connect to your ’s.

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