Fine tuning suggestion that helped me

Thank you Neville! I also appreciate your contributions on this forum. So helpful. So clear. We are lucky and I am grateful for your participation.

@platypus: I realize that I’m breaking the rules to be quoting your previous post verbatim, but you have stolen the words from my mouth.

Thank you, Neville! Thank you, indeed!

@Don said:

Cycling through by turning a wheel gives me a quick picture of my dead spots and it doesn’t trigger feedback.

Long thread, but last I read you were using a phone app (not sure how the audio was getting to your ears?) and you mention here a wheel. Have you switched to a hardware tone generator? I’m curious about your whole setup. I’ve done in-situ audiometery(sp?) but it’s limited to octaves or some large jump.

I can see how you’d lack sympathy for people complaining about occlusion noise when it’s something you have to live with–no option for you. But you certainly don’t come across online as unsympathetic. From the comments, clearly many people appreciate not only your expertise and generosity in sharing but your style of sharing and advising. As do I.

I’ve worked with some good audiologists I think, but the one that almost made me cry when she left the practice was one who had reverse slope hearing loss. I had to tell her so little and didn’t have to struggle to find the words to describe the problems, because she already knew–and knew what could be done, if anything. I’d have driven 2 hours for occasional appointments with her but the company she went to work for only served clients in its network.

So glad to hear headphones will work! Now I have another new thing to learn, maybe. Beyond row, row, row your boat

Um_bongo is way more experienced than I. I think I am chattier and more frequently caffeinated. Trust his word ahead of mine, always.

HA don’t go much beyond 8KHz.

@Don said:

Um_Bongo, I’m not leaving it on one single tone. I’m cycling through a range until I find a dead “spot”. If I stop on any frequency the feedback processor does kick in.

The response of most feedback managers is usually in the 50-500uSec range. The audible bit you’re hearing is potentially the second or third tier mechanism to the FBM. Also given the output bands within of the device, if you’re turning down one band it’ll affect the adjacent frequencies too.

Aside from this; the hearing aids know your pure-tone signal isn’t speech anyway as it will fail the speech classification AI. So they will not amply it fully.

It’s an unreliable test. Swept tones were used historically in test-box functionality/output testing, they aren’t now, for this very reason. Unless you put the aids in a ‘test mode’.

I’m sorry it’s not the ‘Holy-Grail’ here; great that it worked for you, but in reality it doesn’t apply across the board. Hearing technology has moved past this point.

@fbacher1 said:

now that I have my NoahLink I could try that myself and find out right away. Just a bit fearful of screwing up my HA and having to go back to my fitter with my mea culpa if I screw things up.

All you have to do is save the original settings, before you make any changes to the setting. Then If you want you can go back to the original settings.

And there’s the issue of warranty too. Not sure if CostCo would still honor it.

Warranty wouldn’t come into it for DIY in most cases, if you brick them (highly unlikely) they’ll just send back to the manufacturer, just like any other warranty claim,I mean if your gonna tell them (Costco or manufacturer) you did something while doing DIY that “could” be a issue (but why would you?) but I’ve never heard of anyone being denied warranty for doing DIY.

@cleimer101 said:

A hearing aid is necessary and expected to help us hear in all environments we’re in.

No. there are plenty of hearing loss folks for whom aids can only do so much. Claiming that aids are a failure and all of the work done by an audi counts for nothing and shouldn’t be remunerated if the patient isn’t happy is ridiculous.
Aids can only do so much. One has to acknowledge this going in. We’re not talking about performing miracles here. Expecting miracles and refusing to pay if they don’[t come off is unreasonable. Possibly it’s a function of modern American life, where we expect instant gratification and refuse to recognize limits. Sad.

So maybe if I make that one change to the feedback and then put it back before I go back to my fitter she would not even know I made a change? No record kept except in the HearSuite program on my computer. I think that’s the one thing I really want to try out along with maybe letting the program reduce what it considers high frequency by 2-4 db. It’s an option when using the fit assistant in the program. I’ve heard both ways about the warranty thing being an issue but what you’re saying makes sense. I did tell my fitter that since she was retiring in May I was going to learn how to adjust things and her only comment was “you do you”, lol. She knows I’m a curious retired mechanical engineer that wants to understand more about HA and hear loss.

Huh? Who said anything about not paying?

Disconnect office visit charges from the price of hearing aids and this shouldn’t be a problem–if it actually is.

@fbacher1 said:

So maybe if I make that one change to the feedback and then put it back before I go back to my fitter she would not even know I made a change?

Time stamp will change of course, but hay no big deal there your HAs, you can do what you like, not like you need their permission.

@fbacher1 said:

No record kept except in the HearSuite program on my computer

Just a time stamp difference, they’ll know, but don’t worry about it.