New Oticon Platform 2024? Intent/Encanta

I would like how is it different did they went from recording 12 million sound sources to 20???

cause those 2.0 doesn’t say anything

@glucas said:

Yes. This is true.

The performance claims made here by Oticon are only slight:

A 15% improvement in speech comprehension. This is similar to the improvements made by Lumity.

Not being negative, but either our expectations are too high, or it’s just very unlikely in 2 year increments that we are going to get a real game changer in terms of performance improvements.

My eyes go to the “35% more access to speech cues than Oticon Real.” What they seem to be saying in their videos is that this new product will enable users to process multiple speakers in the soundscape simultaneously. There might only be a 15% improvement in speech comprehension with any given speaker, but in the past the sound processing could only be done for one speaker at a time. If the there is now the capacity to deal with multiple speakers, that is a game changer.

Also the fact that these upgrades are being stated as compared to the Real, that is very significant because it is a comparison with their own top-of-the-line equipment. So often these claims are based on a “comparison with other leading brands” - whoever they might be, but obviously chosen to give the claimant the best possible comparison. We know what the Real is capable of, so this kind of improvement is significant even if it’s just 10-15%.

But can your brain process multiple speakers at once? The brain of those with hearing loss has its limitations.

@user246 said:

I would like how is it different did they went from recording 12 million sound sources to 20???

cause those 2.0 doesn’t say anything

20 million for what?

@firenzel said:

i assume that user246 is talking about the DNN 2.0 training with 20 million sound sources

I must have missed it, but where were 20 million reported?

Well, it doesn’t work like that, does it? Regardless of what the percent of improvement is, you never get to 100%.

@Baltazard said: (unavailable)

TBH, those HA manufacturer since they’ve started marketing their products with an average 5% improvement each year, we should be at 250% better at hearing, technicaly we could hear a wisper from planet Mars

best comment ever

@fontez said:

• self-calibrating speaker.
• 4D.
• new Deep Neural Network 2.0.
• MoreSound Intelligence™ 3.0.
• new Sirius™ platform.

incremental features?
maybe not.

It’s kinda weird how Oticon now separates out MoreSound Intelligence from the DNN. The DNN is inside the MoreSound Intelligence technology and there are indeed a few other features beside the DNN as part of the MoreSound Intelligence. But there has been no indication that the MoreSound Intelligence on the Real is called 2.0 (assuming that the MoreSound Intelligence in the More is 1.0).

The assumption is that the Real is only different from the More with the 2 new features for sudden sound and wind management. Now it seems to imply that the Real MoreSound Intelligence technology is better than the More’s, which is something new not revealed until now to me

I think 2.0 is on the Intent.

I know that 2.0 is on the Intent (DNN 2.0). What I was saying is that if MoreSound Intelligence 3.0 is on the Intent, then MoreSound Intelligence 2.0 must be on the Real (and consequently MoreSound Intelligence 1.0 is on the More). But I didn’t get any impression at all that MoreSound Intelligence is any different between the More and the Real at all.

Can anybody update Oticon Genie to 2024.1? I can’t.

my updater says “no updates”, running 2023.2

what version r u running?

I have 2023.2 version too. So update is unavailable yet.

Same here, no updates available yet, can’t be far away with the intent release available now.