Phonak Audéo Sphere

Let me get that straight, this AI thing on the Sphere works for only 3 hours, or you can manually activate it, but your hearing aids will only lasts for 6 hours!!! that sucks.

Also, their DNN is using 22 millions sounds (I mean still better than Oticon’s 12 millions); the questions then is, what kind of sounds and what kind of languages are we talking about?
I mean, can they detect an Irish sub-language or a South African English!!! not to mention other languages around the globe.

I suppose these are already fixed inside the chip, which makes them locked, unless they update the firmware with moar DNN data…

I think this tech isn’t ready for prime time, we are being taken for cobaye! as usual.

@Baltazard said:

Let me get that straight, this AI thing on the Sphere works for only 3 hours, or you can manually activate it, but your hearing aids will only lasts for 6 hours!!! that sucks.

The AI chip uses quite a bit of power but Phonak has compensated for this by putting in a much larger battery. Apparently, with no use of the AI noise reduction program, the battery lasts about 24 hours so you basically have about 12 hours of regular use + 3 hours of AI noise reduction use = 15 hours per day of battery if you max out the AI noise reduction use at 3 hours per day. I only anticipate using the AI noise reduction a few days a week (mostly on the weekend) so 24 hours of battery a day during the working week is a big improvement over Lumity (if real world use proves this to be true).

My audiologist has ordered me a set Sphere hearing aids for trial and I have an appointment to have them fitted on Sept 9. I will post comments shortly thereafter.

Jordan

Cool man, looking forward for your review.

@Baltazard said:

I think this tech isn’t ready for prime time, we are being taken for cobaye! as usual.

he he, your not alone in thinking this, I mean right now I can’t get that Phonak video outta my head, Jim posted it earlier on, just too good to be true…but as usual we await the arrival of reviews from our fellow forum members.

@Baltazard said:

Also, their DNN is using 22 millions sounds (I mean still better than Oticon’s 12 millions)

I heard that Oticon DNN 1.0 has 12 milions, but Oticon DNN 2.0 in Intents already has 50 mlns. @Volusiano and @cvkemp surely know better about it.

@Bimodal_user said:

I heard that Oticon DNN 1.0 has 12 milions, but Oticon DNN 2.0 in Intents already has 50 mlns. @Volusiano and @cvkemp surely know better about it.

Waw, 50 millions dallars, Cmon man, I bet the Inuits have more than 50 millions words/sounds and whatnot.

@WhiteHat said:

Maybe it is naturally confusing, but there are two new lines of receivers coming out, one line (w/ 3 pins) for the legacy HAs, and another new line (w/ 8 pins) for the infinios.

I wait for their PDF about newest SDS 6.0 and their potential. Still somethat disappointed about no xMEMS technology, but reportedly it is very power-consuming…

@dbanner07 said:

Paraphrasing, they are waiting for the LE-Audio accessory market to mature.

That’s a load of BS, pretty much all newer Android phones are BLE-A enabled, same for TVs from major manufacturers.

@WhiteHat said:

No, this excludes the MAVs. These are for the legacy HAs (M/P/L) with 3pin receivers. Going back to the old wax traps.

All very confusing, and I am not sure I am following the conversation, however there are MAV receivers (presumably 8 pin for the infinios

@Baltazard said:

Also, their DNN is using 22 millions sounds (I mean still better than Oticon’s 12 millions)

@Bimodal_user said:

I heard that Oticon DNN 1.0 has 12 milions, but Oticon DNN 2.0 in Intents already has 50 mlns. @Volusiano and @cvkemp surely know better about it.

The Oticon More DNN 1.0 uses 12 millions sound scene samples to train the DNN. The Oticon Intent DNN 2.0 does not reveal how many sound scene samples it uses specifically. It just said that the sound samples used for the DNN 2.0 are more diverse than those used in the DNN 1.0.

My personal guess is that Oticon did not retrain its DNN 2.0 from scratch. They probably took the DNN 1.0 as is, then add more diverse and complex sound samples in to train the DNN 1.0 into the DNN 2.0 with these more diverse and complex sound scenes.

Below is what the Intent whitepaper says:

@nope, my career was in systems programming, and I’ve read books on digital hearing aid internals, digital signal processing, and machine learning. Your explanation of how Phonak uses AI seems plausible to me. But as for that YouTube video, I think there’s no way in the world that a non-technical person is going to extrapolate from there to how hearing aids use a DNN, if they understand the video at all.

@Baltazard said: (unavailable)

Me thinking, is this going to be wireless and always connected (IoT), meaning, if the chip isn’t going to hold say, trillions of data (DNN), then the HA could be using the internet to tap in (say) Sonova’s servers (the cloud) to analyze the sounds, then back to the HA for an AI output, similar to how some subscription program work nowadays, which would make sense?

But this will open the door for other issues, like subscription and wifi in the HA, also, where is the ethic in this mix?

I don’t thinks this is far fetched, but I could be wong.

Your comment isn’t so far fetched from Phonak marketing vision about times near 2030…

Anyway, properly trained DNN and NPU do not need to upload data to, for example, Phonak servers.

In the video, Dr. Cliff said that the receivers do not yet have MEMS technology of solid state silicon speakers, so it is not possible to get amplification above 8000hz.

Can someone explain this more?? Who is here at a loss for lack of it? Who needs it anymore?

Upotrijebio je riječ “prijemnici još nemaju” znači li to da će uskoro doći? pa bi novi prijemnici trebali dolaziti s tom tehnologijom?

Phonak SDS 6.0 receivers are Sensor receivers used by the Audeo P-R Fit and Audeo L-R Fit.