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All,
Just went for my second fititing, 3 weeks in. So far the Jabra PRo 20 EP262 are great, but take that with a grain of salt because I’ve never worn anything else. These have the disposable size 13 battery.

At the time of fitting, the audiologist asked me a long list of questions, and made some adjustments. Increased the expansion from mild to moderate, and turned on the Sound Shaper to Moderate (3.5K) from Off. I didn’t like that. Everything sounded flat and muted.

So I went abhead and threw caution to the winds, and did my first ever tune up on the fly. Seems to be sucessful, but it raised a couple of questions.

First, the initializations screens. First screen:

Rando Initialization 1st Screen
I’m trying to get onboard with the language as it may be different than my understanding. Use session or Use Instrument are the 2 choices. I choose the instrument audiogram choice as it is resident in the . I was wondering, if I botch the whole thing and want to reinstall a known good copy of the initial programming with , would I choose the Use Session option and point to the known good version session, and save it to just hte HA?

Second Initialization Screen;

Rando Initialization 2nd Screen
Reset to initial fit or Read Instrument Data are the choices. I used Read Instrument Data over Reset to Initial Fit because I wasn’t lined up on the profile that contained the Original REM Tuning. That brought up the question of is the initial fit with REM still onboard the hearing aids? They’re so small I didn’t think it would be able to do that. My fear would be if I chose that it might give an error because of version mismatch.

So, have you guys got any pointers on what I’m doing, and what I’m also not doing right? What would be the flow to revert back to the original settings with my original REM and adjustments saved in a stand alone profile?

Many thanks for all of the assistance.

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@Rando said:

Use session or Use Instrument Audiogram are the 2 choices. I choose the instrument audiogram choice as it is resident in the HA.

Yep good thing, yeah did you make up the two different clients, one for original audiology settings and one for your projects.

@Rando said:

if I botch the whole thing and want to reinstall a known good copy of the initial programming with REM, would I choose the Use Session option and point to the known good version session, and save it to just hte HA?

Yes possible, but you’ve made your first “botch” if you haven’t made up the two different clients, your making it harder to keep track of everything, remember TWO different clients and you cannot go wrong.

@Rando said:

Reset to initial fit or Read Instrument Data are the choices

Always instrument database, again just makes its easier to follow and no need to remember where you were.

@Rando said:

My fear would be if I chose that it might give an error because of version mismatch.

So, have you guys got any pointers on what I’m doing

Yeah I think it’s best to reread the user guides and to make the 2 clients up, sorry I keep mentioning this, but the 2 clients it’s a very important “first step” which appears you haven’t yet done, I’m sure you’ll be good to go tho because you connected and saved without issue, so that good in its self.

Tankan,
I have indeed made 2 clients upon your recommendations. In fact, I have made an additional one labelled something like play. Gotta be careful of spawning too many instances so I don’t lose track.

Thanks for the reply, for a moment there I though I was screaming into the void.

My audiologist is now OK with me making corrections, she said “They’re your’s, you bought them”. So of worse comes to worse I can go, hat in hand, for a reinstallation of original settings.

@Rando said:

I have indeed made 2 clients upon your recommendations. In fact, I have made an additional one labelled something like play

Fantastic, yeah for some reason I kept thinking your only got that one client, so yeah I have 4 for my ReSound models, I tried the different formulas.

@Rando said:

My audiologist is now OK with me making corrections, she said “They’re your’s, you bought them”. So of worse comes to worse I can go, hat in hand, for a reinstallation of original settings.

Always a really good thing, hard to find one that’s okay with .

Mr Tenkan,

Call me dense, but I went back and re-read the Resound 1.8 and 2.0 user guides, and re-watched the First Fitting video. I still have never seen the 2 screens I referenced in any of the literature.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess you have very high proficiency in these fitting software programs. Not so with the beginning self fitter. Apparently we get in situations theat are outside of the flow of normal fitting.

Let’s take for instance, a completely botched edit. Hearing aids are not working correctly at all, and I would want to reload the initial setup because apparently I had a really good fitting.

So I open up my original and protected profile and hook the hearing aids to the program. I think on the 1st screen, I would choose Use Session to put the original settings back into the hearing aids.

The second screen is where I fail to understand. My software package doesn’t have the initial fit other than the first profile I created which I would be initiating from, so would I Reset to Initial Fit or Use Instrument Data?

And of course, I would only save to the hearing aids so as to not save another instance or corrupt the original fitting file.

As you can see, these are bizarre circumstances that would likely never occur to an experienced fitter, but fall squarely in the realm of the self fitter. What do you think?

So I went ahead and answered my own questions. Make 2 clients per tenkan, the first is the safety net, the second is the experimental. First client gets the original fitting, as it is the basis for all the other settings. Choose the Use Instrument settigns and go to the save settings page right away, save this in the database only (finalize screen). Then go back to the main page and export the xlm file for safety.

Open your experimental client and save the Instrument settings. This is where you can try anything and still get back to normal.

If you botch it bad enough, especially in the gain settings, and want to go back to original settings, here is what I found.

Open the original client. After connecting, never use the set to original as it will go all the way back to off the shelf settings. Use the Use Session option (there should be only one), and once this is up on the screen go all the way to the finalize screen and select save to instruments only.

This is off the top of my head, but is as close to how I remember it as I can get.

The expansion takes away from the lower db sounds, and supposedly doesn’t affect speech. I found anything above mild made everything sound kind of flat.

The sound shaper is apparently to shift frequencies to a lower tone to make them more audiable. For my cookie cutter loss it put theh highest frequencies down into the larger loss area of my , making voices seem muted and muddled. I turned that off. Probaly more suitable for folks having higher frequency sloping loss.

So far, that’s what I have. Learning daily. Pretty happy with my setup, tried a couple of things, including gains, and always came back to the original.

Hi, thanks for the sharing your findings.

it will be great if you could add few screenshots of using two clients, saving and exporting sessions, etc for the benefit of community.

Thanks

Krishna,

I’m very humbled by your faith in me, but at this point I’m stumbling blindly in the dark. I’d hate to provide inaccurate or false guidance to anyone. There are a couple of very knowledgeable people on here, and they have given me a nudge here and there to get to this point.

When I firm up my knowledge in these areas I’ll post, but as long as I’m still guessing and shooting in the dark I’ll have to refrain. I have no formal training on any kind of audiology, fitting software, or hearing aids. This is my first pair, and I’m only about a month in. I did find some training courses on AudiologyOnline.com, but that’s slow going.

In reply to @Krishna

Krishna,
On second thought, I can post what I am sure of. Here goes.

Profiles 1
In this profile I have one session. I labelled it Original. That is my clue to never tamper with this one. As soon as I connected to the hearing aids, I went to the finalize screen and chose save to database only option. After saving the initial Original profile, I chose the Export feature at the top of the page. This saves a copy of your settings in an XLM file. Copy this to a secure location, such as a thumb drive.

Profiles 2
My second profile to build was the Experimental one. This is where you do all of your testing. I had spawned about 2 more profiles, but deleted them when I realized I was spawning multiple files. In this profile you can see the last 3 sessions where I tried different settings.

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