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In reply to @user490

@user490 said:

Why limit the use of NAL-NL3 even temporarily?

1.-Sales : they can say that if you want the new rationale , you have to buy the new model. They are not going to make big bucks by adding the NAL-NL3 at launch for older models and , it is still to be seen if NA3 is significantly better than NAL-NA2. So far , the other player that has enabled NAL-NA3 , AFAIK, is Resound and I haven’t seen any comments here (or anywhere else) saying NAL-NA3 is revolutionary.

2.- They have to test the aids with older models , re-write documentation , etc . Maybe they didn’t have the time or resources to do this by launch and , considering that Phonak is releasing a new platform , they were probably time constrained .

3.- They probably want to have more data on the performance of NAL-NA3 before expanding this to the older platforms .

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@markoo355 said:

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Thank you for your answer. I have been thinking about the Phonak Naída Lumity P90-SP, but I have used Oticon hearing aids for many years. My question is: can an -type hearing aid provide enough support for my hearing loss? My hearing loss is quite severe, so I am wondering whether an RIC would be powerful enough for me.

Probably not. Below is the fitting range of the Infinio with its more powerful receiver (up to 105dB). Compare the fitting range to your .

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@SCsaba said:

My question is: can an RIC-type hearing aid provide enough support for my hearing loss? My hearing loss is quite severe, so I am wondering whether an RIC would be powerful enough for me.

As @OcramSagev said, probably not. You can trial newest Resound Enzo IA or wait for Phonak Naida.

What’s your in quiet percentage? In each ear separately and binaurally?

Does Oticon claim that Reveal uses a new chip platform? I didn’t see that anywhere.

FCC filings show pictures of the PCB inside, and when I compare Intent and Reveal there are only very small differences.

I don’t think Oticon claimed two chips. They claimed two systems. Both could be on one chip like the Starkey Omega (I think the Edge has two AIs on a single chip as well). According to Starkey, having multiple AIs on a single chips can reduce both power consumption (good for battery life) and latency (better sounding) than having to pass signals/information between two separate chips.

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In reply to @wtolkien

The new chip was mentioned in the professionals video linked earlier in the thread. Oticon generally build for a chip and release minor firmware updates for each new product generation. Sonova is one of the few companies that builds the chip first and then runs an OS on top of it that can be completely upgraded, e.g. Infinio Ultra ran a new OS that existing Infinio devices could be upgraded to that optimised their further so that it was a lot more power efficient.

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Thanks for photo. So you didn’t have a speech . Strange, regarding your tonal audiogram.

It’s worth to have at least full (cochlear implant) evaluation, which could provide more information about your hearing. It doesn’t oblige you to surgery.

If you have low percentage (60% for one ear and it’s repeatable), spending much money for expensive hearing aid (for poorer ear in WRS) may be not cost effective solution.

In that case it’s better to be at least in configuration (CI in poorer ear + powerful in better ear), although I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re eligible for bilateral CI.

I am bimodal and highly recommend that solution if WRS percentage would be poor in at least one ear.

Later this year probably new Naida Link BTE will be introduced (and perhaps “ordinary” Naida also), so if you are not in rush, I would wait assuming I am being in your shoes.

You’ll do as you want, but it is highly probable that the most benefits you will get with . Many people put off getting a CI for a dozen years or more and later regretted it “Why didn’t I decide earlier?”

However if you live in quiet situationsa nd manage to understand people for almost 100% of time, perhaps I won’t be rushing into CI.

Just saying for fully infomed decision.

In reply to @glucas

@glucas said:

From the details given so far this is either tantalising or a massive disappointment and I can’t work out which it is.

This is just how I feel. :laughing:

@glucas said:

Claiming that approaches that scrub noise entirely with AI are one sided.

It’s also a bit of an odd curve after they were so derogatory of directional strategies in the Opn. However, I do support people changing their minds in the face of different or better evidence. It’s just the marketting beast that makes me shake my head.

Given that Phonak don’t use their beamforming technology in the Infinio speech in loud noise programme, perhaps Oticon made the right decision in regards to -based denoising technology being a better solution in these situations. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that Oticon have changed course. They’ve doubled-down on their previous strategy, but decided to process speech and context separately, like Signia.

@Hearing_Potential said:

Given that Phonak don’t use their binaural beamforming technology in the Infinio speech in loud noise programme

Conventional Speech in Loud Noise (StereoZoom 2.0) do is beamforming in Infinio R hearing aids. I am not sure if Infinio Sphere has binaural Speech in Loud Noise, it certainly has monaural Speech in Noise program (without “Loud” in name).

Perhaps you made a mental shortcut and wanted to tell about Spheric Speech in Noise. Then, indeed in that program there is only monaural beamforming (“Zoom”), which we can adjust in myPhonak App.

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