Skip to content
HearingTracker
Log in

Tried the Starkey Livio Edge AI yesterday, and don't understand what I found

This topic is closed.

77 replies5.7k viewsLast reply

Jump
Link to this topic
Edited

In reply to @rbahr1900

Apology accepted but probably unnecessary: hearing loss is extremely frustrating.

@Volusiano is probably going to give you a better answer, but, IMO, today’s are much more complex than the simple, linear amps of yore.

I think you should go somewhere that will fit you according to best practices and give you adequate time to determine whether the devices you decide to try are appropriate for your hearing loss, lifestyle, needs, and expectations.

There are too many “handles” to just fiddle around and slap the HAs into your ears - the permutations and combinations of settings are mind-boggling.

I would encourage you to avail yourself of the right to a viable trial. Only then will you be able to apply your knowledge and analytical skills to the problem of instrument selection.

I’m pretty sure others will concur.

Yes, frustrating is one word that could be used!

Is this correct? One just jumps in and there is no real initial evaluation other than perhaps cost and connectivity.

Ray

Not sure what you mean by evaluation? Evaluation by the audiologist or fitter? or Evaluation of what hearing aid to pick? Definitely should be an evaluation by the audiologist. Your call about researching hearing aids. All should work. If connectivity is important, good to understand how that’s going to work before committing. Many people have preconceptions how it’s going to work and are disappointed. Ideal would be to a hearing aid professional who has experience and access to most, if not all the big 5/6 manufacturers. Then after they have examined you and you’ve shared what’s important to you, they could make a recommendation.

In reply to @rbahr1900

Not sure that I understand what you’re saying. If you Search for “best hearing aid”, you’ll turn up a lot of info on how to select candidates for a short list, but - frankly - it should be your audiologist who offers you a short list based on your .

No matter how intelligent we may be, your audiologist has access to the best resources for selecting an appropriate device to treat your unique hearing loss.

You need to trust your audiologist to perform that function on your behalf. If you don’t trust them, it’s time to find one that you can have confidence in.

It’s an unfortunate truth that the Hearing Aid Industry keeps us in the dark, and makes much of its technical information impossible for the end user to access on their own.

We’re forced into the eager jaws of the audiologist, who alone has access to the arcane secrets needed to make a prescriptive recommendation.

You can try to crack that nut, as others have - mostly without success - but IMO, you’re better off to play the game by their rules and find a trustworthy audiologist.

They do exist, but caveat emptor!

I am absolutely not good (pretty bad actually) with trusting that others will have my best interest at heart, and this is a very important decision.

Ray, do you perhaps have a friend that you trust who has a good audiologist that they use? That’s the only workaround to your skepticism that I can see.

[Search will turn up lots of advice on how to choose an audiologist, too! … You say your dog is sick? Try Search! :joy:]

I would like to point out that I have have searched, a bit. I have selected a good audiologist, or at least one that I like, and in fact went to more than one before selecting this one. I have friends with , but I was not impressed with their evaluations which were all 5+ years ago.

I have decided to just deal with my control issues, and move forward. :pleading_face:

Thanks for the insight - to summarize my jaundiced eye’s view:

One cannot be a properly educated consumer in this industry, without actually being part of the industry, and even then… :rage:

Ray

I’d both agree and disagree. I think one can be a properly educated consumer of hearing aids, but it looks nothing like what an educated consumer of cars or stereos looks like.

Having gone through both the stereo and car process, I can understand those. They both have mitigating factors that will affect one’s opinion, some more subtle than others, I can get a lot of information out of the basic specs of these products. WRT , without actually going through the fitting process, what can one use for comparison other than connectivity, cost, and perhaps battery? The closest I have found to ‘specs’ are these types of data:

Datasheet_Phonak_Audéo_M-R.PDF (64.1 KB)

Ray

I think that kind of data is pretty useless to the consumer. I think looking at their feature sheet is more helpful, but of little use in trying to directly compare hearing aids. Things some consider. 1)How much control the app offers. What’s the interface like? 2) Approach to speech in noise: Oticon’s more open approach versus most (all?) others directional approach 3) Approach to 4) How well it handles special losses (reverse slope hearing losses, for example. 5) How the buttons work (seems minor, but Rexton’s (and Signia’s) button controls are notably better than Phonak’s in my book)

This list is not extensive. The nice thing is that one really can’t go too far wrong. They’re all good. If one doesn’t like one’s first choice, one can try again. Going with audiologist’s recommendation is a fine approach. So is going to Costco and picking the cheapest one. The one thing that I’d suggest thinking about is IF connectivity with assorted devices is really important to you, put some time into understanding how the various approaches work.

Thanks bluejay!

One question I have is: do these algorithms adapt or does the listener just get used to it?

Edited

@bluejay2025 I will be trialling the Starkey Lio edge ai 2400 very soon and read your posts with interest.

I am just curious as to when an adjustment is made by the audiologist will the saved program settings setup by the user be wiped clean so the programs need be redone over by the user?

I was discussing with my audiologist that the programs will be wiped clean but she will save the settings before the adjustment is made. Is this what you also experience?

Is the Starkey Edge affected by audiologist adustments or are the learned adaptations stored in the chip permanently and cannot be altered?

In reply to @grantb5

I think the generic term is . There are several different approaches: frequency compression,transposition and spectral envelope warping. There are even variations among these.

Thank you. It’s great to hear about your experiences with Starkey Livio And Ege mode! I will also try this map location feature in the thrive app as i visit a noisy supermarket and cafe. You still need to press the Edge button, right?

Does thrive app drain battery very fast? I have iphone 7 and it drains very fast.

Edited

In reply to #41

Location locator needs to stay on for it to continue working or not? Not to worry as i will be testing thoroughly and it seems there are many features on the thrive app for a great user experience.

This is all great information. Sadly because of an insurance / time thing I needed to order the Phonak Audeo P90 R. I will see how this plays out, if I have some leeway, I will try out the Starkeys again

Related discussions