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@Raudrive said: (unavailable)

He gave me the opinion that Auracast is still 5 years out for getting really going well.

Ok. Five years maybe before your cinema, the airport, and the counter at your bank are enabled. I think it’s very feasible though that within a year your phone, your tv, your girlfriend’s tv, and your computer will all be enabled. That puts us ahead of where we’ve ever been. We might have to wait for the fruit…

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@Raudrive said: (unavailable)

He gave me the opinion that Auracast is still 5 years out for getting really going well.

This is quite possible, but it is unlikely will see much expansion given that better technology is now available. For example, I live in New Hampshire, and the online site to find telecoil usage lists 14 sites for the entire state (none of which I would ever use). should cost a fraction to implement of what a coil would cost, and has many applications beyond hearing aids, which will also likely add to its adoption.

As an electrical engineer that is new to wearing ’s, I am going with Audio and Auracast and not the telecoil. I choose the future, not the past.

Right now, it’s not either/or and you need both and . Telecoil is not just for looped venues. Used with a neckloop, it serves as an interface between non-BT hearing aids and BT LE audio transmitters and as an interface between //WiFi transmitters and any hearing aid. (I’m also an EE in NH)

In reply to @jim_lewis

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In reply to @viffer

Actually, whether you “need” either a or Audio is a matter of personal choice. As I stated, I have no use for a telecoil, and don’t want a larger to accommodate a coil I will never use. There is no venue that I ever attend that has a loop installed, and the neck loop you mention is something, fortunately, I do not need with the level of hearing loss I currently have. So for me, and anyone else in similar circumstances, BLE Audio is more important that a coil. Also, since BLE Audio has applications far outside of HA’s, there is a greater chance of new developments that use BLE Audio.

With that said, I’m sure there are many people who use, and need, coils. But I have no use for them, and will not buy a hearing aid without BLE Audio and .

Has anyone seen this video demonstration of and done by Andrew Bellavia.

@kevels55 Yeah it was interesting, it certainly shows that it’s something to look forward to, all I want is no more drop outs, anything else is just a bonus.

@d_Wooluf absolutely, that’s been a big bug bear for a while now, integration with the very things we use everyday is really important for a lot of us, I’m looking forward to this, god I hope they don’t stuff it up, as in it just works out of the box!

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In reply to @tenkan

Thanks for the video link, @tenkan. I liked Bellevia’s example of the competitive sports bar advantage of installing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxPUEe8MenU&t=347s2.

But the Sig guy’s counterexample of how theaters that already had loops or might still want to switch to Auracast was super-impressive, as Bellavia agreed. The capability to provide multiple forms of accessibility: 1) for members of the general public wearing earbuds who just want to hear dialog better, 2) for the hearing impaired who want to hear everything better, and 3) yet another audio stream describing what was occurring visually for sight-impaired who might hear perfectly normally but not be able to see well (Microsoft has a developing technology, too, called Seeing that might be used to provide the audio streaming for such assistive listening: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai/seeing-ai1.

The video segment on multiple forms of assistive listening/accessibility that Auracast will enable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxPUEe8MenU&t=410s1.

The last thing I liked about the video might be the real sleeper. The GN ReSound head engineer explained how two-way audio would now be possible between Windows PCs and BT hearing aids, seeming to say it was something GN had been working on with Microsoft for ten years ( :astonished: if that’s true). But the sleeper part was where he claimed that a Team’s call through a Windows PC would be crystal-clear on both ends. Even if background noise were in your environment, the folks on the other end wouldn’t hear it. I wonder if MS will use PC processing power to remove call noise from your outgoing voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxPUEe8MenU&t=1120s or whether the directionality of the mics is all that will be at work, and, as is too typical, it’s more hype than reality?

Edit_Update: Apparently, AI-guided noise suppression has been built into MS Teams at least since 2021. So hearing aids or not, a Windows PC can do much of the heavy lifting. Having a good carotid mic or good HA mics should improve noise reduction on top of any the PC does: Reduce background noise in Microsoft Teams meetings - Microsoft Support1 (I don’t do Teams calls. I think Zoom has noise-suppresion features built in, too, but never carefully checked out how good it is).

Thanks @jim_lewis & @tenkan for sharing my video and subsequent discussion. Here is another one you might enjoy, originally presented at the Academy of Doctors of Audiology conference in November, just after that EUHA video was recorded. It breaks down the need, present state, and future of & , including a live demo with thanks to Bluetooth SIG for providing the hardware. In it I also showed a clip from Intel’s CEO further demonstrating what an -enabled PC can do in combination with connected hearing aids. https://youtu.be/dOYe1-LchZc?si=EoBPx3ex-vyFmcVC18

Thanks for sharing this, it was interesting in mentioning that 10 year time frame, it’s seems too far away, I really hope it’s much sooner then this, as you know we need these features like “now” the whole PC thing with from intel is going to be fantastic,as it’s already started i can see a time frame much sooner then 10 years to saturate the market, so accessibility for is going to have to play catch up! as a side note, watching the video from intel
(watching a video through a video) showed how bad the latency is, it was really bad through protocol!

Glad you liked it @tenkan. The meaning of the 10 years was not that it would take that long for to roll out, but that loops and hearing aids would be around for at least that long. There will be a long transition period where both exist.

Ahh ok, that sounds much better, thanks for clarifying that.

In reply to @Andy_Bellavia

@Andy_Bellavia said:

In it I also showed a clip from Intel’s CEO further demonstrating what an AI-enabled PC can do in combination with connected hearing aids. https://youtu.be/dOYe1-LchZc?si=EoBPx3ex-vyFmcVC

Great discussion of connectivity overall, proprietary connectivity vs. SIG standards, and why everyone should look forward to having BT incorporated into their future devices. Very clear and easy to understand. :heart_eyes:

@ssa
Have you got any updates on with your Cochlear Nucleus 8 and Resound hearing aid?

I was reading about the N8 being Bluetooth ready and I thought of you.

Happy new year! @Raudrive I wish I knew, I don’t have any more info on this other than what publicly. I can say 2024 is the year for implementation on everything. Maybe check out the news at CES 2024 on LE Audio which is going on right now.

In reply to @d_Wooluf

I found it on (the giant web store that must not be named) (not the Chinese one). That’s how I got to this forum.

I’m trying to determine if it will work with my Jabra Enhance Pro 20. I may just buy the combo pack ( Moerlab MoerLink Bluetooth 5.3 Transmitter + MoerDuo Bluetooth Transmitter and Receiver for Headphone/TV/PC) and experiment. I prefer not to “experiment” but with that store’s easy returns that will be easier than trying to figure it out before I buy.

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