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Oticon More3 (vs More1) Might Be Capable Enough For Some

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In reply to @cvkemp

That’s great news, Chuck.

Given @Volusiano 's advice (having an uncompressed, relatively unprocessed program option is great), I have another question/suggestion.

Have you considered trying a program that uses an alternative fitting rationale (thinking and/or v 5.0 (adult)? My DSL v 5.0 is a keeper, and picks up things like spring peepers better than VAC+ (but VAC+ is better for speech comprehension, I find).

(I remember you rejecting this idea in the past, but maybe it’s the time to reconsider?)

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That is amount the 3 pages of possible suggestions that my Audiologist received from the Oticon developer/Audiologist. I have met this person and he specializes in the difficult fittings. I lives in the USA, and came to the clinic back right after it opened here, to help set up some the equipment from Oticon. This guy in my book is a computer geek, with an Audiology Doctors degree.

In reply to @SpudGunner

@SpudGunner said:

Have you considered trying a program that uses an alternative fitting rationale (thinking NAL-NL2 and/or DSL v 5.0 (adult)? My DSL v 5.0 is a keeper, and picks up things like spring peepers better than VAC+ (but VAC+ is better for speech comprehension, I find).

Yep, I also find the v 5.0 Adult to be a keeper for myself as well. But then my hearing loss and yours are fairly similar, too, Jim.

So I have the default program on my OPN 1 set with max noise reduction for both Simple and Complex environments using the VAC+ that I use most of the times. Then I have my second program with the built-in Music program that basically turns off noise reduction and the OpnSound Navigator (the heart of the OPN processing). Then I have my third program the same as the default program except that it uses the DSL v5.0 Adult instead of the VAC+. I use this when I find listening to speech very challenging, like for example in my noisy old van where I’m sitting in the front trying to listening to somebody talking in the back (or vice versa, sitting in the back trying to find somebody talking in the front). It gives me a sharper edge compared to the VAC+ so I can get a little more clarity out of the speech when I need it. But it’s a bit sharp to my liking compared to VAC+ so I only use it when needed. Overall I stick with the default program except for when listening to Music (then the Music program). I don’t really have a use for a fourth program.

@Volusiano regarding Music program, seems that by default “Difficult Enviroment” is disabled.
But if you check “Neural Noise Supression” box, you get “Difficult Enviroment” setting enabled again.
Of course this means that this is more like default prorgam then, so I doubt that is not wise thing to do.

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Yes, that is the starting point of the Oticon built-in Music program, with most everything turned off. But if you turn things back on and change the Directionality setting back to Neural Automatic, then it’s no longer the Oticon built-in Music program as originally intended anymore, but now it’s your version of the Music program. You can even go to the Client Program Name and change it from Music to anything else you want, like My Custom Music Program or whatever.

If what I said about the previous post gave the impression that I implied that the Oticon Music program is hard coded and doesn’t allow the user to make any changes to any parameters within it, then it’s not meant to imply that. In fact, with the Oticon built-in Music Program that I have for my OPN 1, I enabled Speech Rescue on it as my personal customization touch for it.

There’s no good reason why Oticon would want to hard code their built-in programs and prevent the users to make their own customization on it. It’d just make more common sense to allow users to tweak and customize these starting-point programs to make it their own.

You will notice that General has a right arrow on it. If you dive down into the General menu options, you’ll see all the different fitting rationales under it so you can select the one you want.

There’s no Tinnitus “program” per se, so you won’t find it in the Program Manager. You would go to the Tinnitus menu and enable it for whatever program you’re in and set it up under each of those programs individually.

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@akk: could tou please start your own topic on all your musings about Genie2 settings for More? These “observations” of yours belong in the category - they are adding nothing to the discussion we’re trying to have about the capabilities of More3s vs More1s.

@Volusiano said:

The best way to approach it is not to try to make sense out of the values or read too much into it, but instead just consider them as “handles” where you can tweak things and just let the magic occur.

@Volusiano has given you some advice here about “magic” … my gripe is that you are spoiling the “magic” in this thread with your technical babble that can only be understood by those with NoahLink and the fitting software!

Thanks - (but the point is they’re not on-topic because nobody without the hardware/software can understand them.)

Well, even if you don’t have hardware. The information is relevant to topic. You can always get your Audi to do the change for you. The software is easily available and a NoahLink is $170 USD. For techies, it is a great tool.

Techie RJ

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Yes, I understand that, but I don’t agree that it’s on topic, if you go back to the root of the thread. I maintain that what Ari and @Volusiano are discussing belongs in .

The average user would never be able to communicate this arcane stuff to their for the purpose of tweaking.

The techie stuff has completely eclipsed a legitimate discussion that Chuck (@cvkemp - who will be transitioning soon from OpnS 1 to More1s) was having that could have provided him with some practical suggestions to discuss with his audi.

But that conversation was extinguished by technobabble, and I think that’s not right.

Even though I am tech savvy I am not qualified to adjust my hearing aids

In reply to @SpudGunner

I’ve found it’s pretty pointless to try to keep a thread on topic. That’s why the Product Info threads which could be extremely valuable resource end up being threads with thousands of posts. Good luck, but I found it an exercise in frustration.

Thanks for the heads up, @MDB. I am learning! And I count it as my good fortune that there’s not a stubborn gene in my body! :+1:t2:

In reply to @cvkemp

If you consider your examples, I think you might find that you rely on lip reading. When you can’t follow someone’s lips—2 or more talking, car rides—you have trouble. Likely your wife is the exception as you know her voice so well (and like all good husbands, you know what she will say even before she opens her mouth :innocent:)

Yes at first with my aids but not true now as I have gotten use to my More1 aids. I will always need some lipreading for sure but not as much anymore. And with so many using face mask it is impossible to lip read. With my More1 aids I am no longer having issues in the car or in lecture halls with people even talking behind me.

In reply to @cvkemp

I just wish Canada’s worked the same! They do not they give each manufacturer a price point and they decide what lever of hearing aids they will provide for that. Oticon has always decided to give Vetrans and Workman’s Comp the cheapest, all the others that I know of (Phonak, Unitron, Widex, and the US company, I can’t remember) offer the Advanced Level which is the one below the top of the line, as some companies has only 3 levels, some have 5 or 6 levels. Andyou can’t even pay the difference out of yourown pocket, you either take what they offer or you buy your own. Rarely has a Audiologist been able to get them to jump up a level, but sometimes they can talk them into getting you a Roger devices to help out,. Which I was lucky enough to get(Roger ON In). It has helped especially for the TV as most new TVs only support ARC HDMI, or eARC HDMI, so you can’t hook up a TV Connector and still have a soundbar for the rest of the family. I’ve found the US does much more for their Veterans than Canada ever hopes too.

@sstotz: I’m surprised at your assessment. I was able to upgrade to More3 out of my own pocket, and VAC (Are you Canadian? Or a Veteran? That’s what we call it up here: “Veterans’ Affairs Canada” … not “Canada’s ”) picked up the legacy costs of the upgrade like warranty on the premium model, loss replacement, etc… I don’t know why VAC can’t negotiate a better deal out of Oticon, but I’m used to the open Oticon sound, and I’d rather stay with it than switch. I had Unitron second-from-the-top , and they didn’t work for me. More3 did the job, however, I found I needed a higher input ceiling (Clear Dynamics?) than the 3s could give me. In retrospect, I probably could have gotten by with More2s just fine.

You won’t get any agreement from me about bad VAC service: they treat me like a rock star! Thank you VAC🇨🇦

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