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Yes, the app has no such setting. I did change in the general settings of the phone.
Anyway, the app provides correct info now :grinning:

In reply to @david.hendon

@david.hendon said:

I think the way it works is that Apple provides software development kits for upcoming models, under NDA

Doesn’t sound like Oticon got a pre-release iPhone 14 and iOS 16 BETA under NDA with a software development kit:

Oticon warning about iOS 16 update
I have a new service message in Oticon On app. What is those “groundbreaking new innovations” described in this message? P.S. I use a pair of Oticon Xceed 1 SP with iOS 16 beta - without any changes and/or issues. [image]
@jim_lewis said:

Doesn’t sound like Oticon got a pre-release iPhone 14 and iOS 16 BETA under NDA with a software development kit:

More fool Oticon then. I suspect their software development team is quite small, or even entirely outsourced.

I am pretty sure that the apps are out sourced, but I have met and talked to a couple of the audiologist/ developers of the firmware for the aids and they are definitely Oticon employees. I have told the Oticon rep that the ON app doesn’t live up to the Oticon standards. And she agreed.

Edited

Reading the comments in the Mac Rumors article that I linked to above is very interesting.

The commenters ask why Apple is not making a big deal out of capability in their new AirPods Pro 2 devices.

The answer is (according to the comments) that with an iPhone and the AirPods Pro 2, the Apple AAC codec is superior in audio quality to the codec in BT LE Audio. One poster says the only benefit to employing the LC3 codec in Apple devices is that it’s better in dealing with “complexity” in the BT stream and better for battery life.

Another poster says that the LC3 codec does bring better audio quality to Android phone users equipping themselves with Apple’s AirPod 2 Pro devices as their earbuds of choice. According to the comments, the reason Apple is not trumpeting BT LE Audio is they don’t want to advertise “Now you can use our earbuds with an Android phone and get GREAT audio!” Apple wants to sell iPhones and iPhones will do fine with the AAC codec until there are more mainstream uses of BT LE Audio.

Me: But what about ’s??? iPhone to (name your favorite) HA?

Edit_Update: A survey comparing Apple AAC vs. Android AAC vs. LC3Plus (some commenters on the article below say it was unfair to only make the comparison at 144 kbps).

Personal blind sound quality comparison of the Bluetooth codecs (AAC vs LC3) (hydrogenaud.io)17

I think the last answer might be the best. Apple is doing just fine as it is. People are falling over themselves to get the Airpod Pro Gen 2. Not even a mention of . They’ve probably got the upgrade ready to go for when Marketing says the time is right.

@jim_lewis said:

A survey comparing Apple AAC vs. Android AAC vs. LC3Plus

Interesting. Bluetooth SIG have at about 4.3 on the same scale at a slightly higher bit-rate. Cherry picking samples or something else? I don’t think LC3 was developed as a codec for audiophiles but you’d still want it to be reasonably close to AAC.

I was looking at the pixel 7 bluetooth spec yesterday and notice that It has 5.3 Le and my phonak paradise nadia UP only have 4.2 dual mode. I take it that the 5.3 Le would not be an improvement for my paradise Ha. Am I right? I also notice that the 5.3 is just a refresh of the 5.0.

No improvement for the Phonak line of things, they seem stuck on 4.2 classic/LE for now, possibly in a new platform coming, otherwise they’ll be left behind in this area.
is the new industry standard starting with 5.3 LE, so this is more then just a “refresh” of 5.0.

In reply to @alpine1

I’m just back from a trip and kind of fried, but if I understand your question correctly, the only benefit of installing NRF Connect is to check Bluetooth compatibility of your phone (and if you’re a developer have access to a lot of info I don’t understand) There is no advantage for day to day functionality of hearing aids and phone.

Yes that is all I’m seeing today is the 5.2 LE audio with most of the Google searches on the pixel 7. Must have been an illusion or a senior moment. But the specs is saying 5.2 LE. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Am I understanding the LE is not on the 5.2?

LE is just low energy bluetooth, which pretty much all bluetooth has back to at least 4.2. is different than LE. LE Audio uses the LE signal (which was designed for data, not audio) for good quality audio. Apple has their own flavor of LE that works with audio, as does Android with . LE Audio offers the hope of universal compatibility, as well as broadcast features present in . It is very easy to get confused by the terminology.

In reply to @godavid_d

@godavid_d said:

all I’m seeing today is the 5.2 LE audio with most of the Google searches on the pixel 7

I had a look last night and I found both, so not a senior moment. 5.2 is the minimum core spec that you need for le audio. 5.3 offers some advantages:

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